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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    He was doomed by having a writer that hated the concept of Robin so much, he wanted Jason to get AIDS.
    Huh, that could've been interesting though.
    It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

    Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
    If they do a Robin origin in the next Batman movie, Jason’s is likely the easiest to do followed by Dick. Damian would require some effort but wouldn’t be impossible. Not sure how you could make Tim work through.
    Tim would be super easy to do if they keep the dead Robin. Just do a version of a Lonely Place of Dying with Tim trying to become the new Robin and him explaining why Batman needs a Robin. It's all set up nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    Tim would be super easy to do if they keep the dead Robin. Just do a version of a Lonely Place of Dying with Tim trying to become the new Robin and him explaining why Batman needs a Robin. It's all set up nicely.
    But that doesn’t really work now that Bat already has a group of super friends to make him happy. BvS and JL kind of already took that approach off the table.

    Even if we completely ignore the events of JL or set the movie in the past, it’s kind of hard to sell that Batman suddenly needs a Robin to function when he’s already had a bunch of live action appearances within the last decade that show he doesn’t. Even if we ignore that, I’m not sure how well the story stands on its own when it doesn’t have 40ish years of stories doing most of the leg work for it.

    We can’t tell that Batman is falling apart or acting irregular because we’ve never seen this Batman before
    We don’t know how important Robin was to Batman because we never saw them work together
    We won’t know how Robin’s death impacted Batman because we never saw his death or Batman’s reaction to it

    Sure, they can tell us all those things but it really kills any of the impact it could have because they never bothered to establish any of it before jumping straight to a Lonely Place of Dying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
    But that doesn’t really work now that Bat already has a group of super friends to make him happy. BvS and JL already took that approach off the table.

    Even if we completely ignore the events of JL or set the movie in the past, it’s kind of hard to sell that Batman suddenly needs a Robin to function when he’s already had a bunch of live action appearances within the last decade that show he doesn’t. Even if we ignore that, I’m not sure how well the story stands on its own when it doesn’t have 40ish years of stories doing most of the leg work for it.
    You could simple shift it to Bruce not doing much to help Gotham as much since he's been focused on a larger picture with the League. Then you have Tim come in and remind him of where he started. Then Bruce starts doing more Gotham stuff again. It's not that hard to come up with an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    You could simple shift it to Bruce not doing much to help Gotham as much since he's been focused on a larger picture with the League. Then you have Tim come in and remind him of where he started. Then Bruce starts doing more Gotham stuff again. It's not that hard to come up with an idea.
    What could a random 12 year old kid possibly say or do to remind Bruce where he came from that Gordon, Alfred or anybody in the media couldn’t?

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    Have a great screenwriter, director and good actors and any movie can work...

    I think a movie with Robin would need to be something different than the regular superhero movie. I think characterization of the two heroes and the relationship between them would be at the core of the movie, rather than the "action sequences"... In that sense, a Batman & Robin movie with Robin's origin (Dick Grayson's Robin) has potential - you have 2 characters traumatized by the death of their parents and dealing with that together, finding strength in each other. You have 2 total strangers (with very different backgrounds, no less) getting to know one another, and forming an unbreakable bond as father and son. And you have two "human" heroes putting their lives at risk to keep everyone safe. Much can be done with all that. And depending on the execution it can be different than what one expects from a superhero movie in the good sense (or can just go horribly wrong too, of course, if the right balance is not found and it is a sappy motivational speech like movie)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    He was doomed by having a writer that hated the concept of Robin so much, he wanted Jason to get AIDS.
    Oh, that is EVIL!!!! I'm cool with Tim dying of AIDS or herpes or leprosy--or even Bruce, but not Jason, Dick, or Damian. Or Bat-Cow, Titus, Ace, Alfred the Cat, Bat-Turkey, Goliath, or Bat-Dragon.

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    They should use the We Are Robin concept instead of just using one particular character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the illustrious mr. kenway View Post
    They should use the We Are Robin concept instead of just using one particular character.
    It could be like the Newsboy Legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
    What could a random 12 year old kid possibly say or do to remind Bruce where he came from that Gordon, Alfred or anybody in the media couldn’t?
    The same reasons he gave in a lonely place of dying, tbh they are quite good and serve the meta narrative as well as the narrative. I think the story holds up even better today than it did in the 80s. Especially after the crapfest that was BvS.
    Alfred is simply not enough, he was never enough, neither is gordon.

    I really have no clue why you guys cant understand why a grown man see his own life and temperament improve when mentoring and taking care of a kid. There are millions of pages of literature and kilometers of tape featuring a story about a father putting his life in order to take care of his child, or a master/teacher forming a disciple/student and his own life and personality improving as a direct result. Thinking "but Batman is better than that" makes Bruce a less interesting character, an immutable being that does not need anybody, it also strips him of a large part of his humanity.

    Which was the point of a lonely place of dying, Bruce was becoming more inhuman because he lost jason and had nobody to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
    What could a random 12 year old kid possibly say or do to remind Bruce where he came from that Gordon, Alfred or anybody in the media couldn’t?
    He could remind him of what it was like having a Robin. Maybe make his own suit and run around town, forcing Bruce to go after him so he doesn't get himself killed. Then it can remind him of memories of better times kinda like Catwoman in Batman: Noel. That's just an idea off the top of my head. You're acting like it's somehow impossible to pull off Tim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenal View Post
    What could a random 12 year old kid possibly say or do to remind Bruce where he came from that Gordon, Alfred or anybody in the media couldn’t?
    Hell here's another idea that just came to me. Do the Pursuit of Happiness with Batman and Robin.
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    I think part of the idea is, the movie would need to establish Robin's importance to Batman by showing it, not telling about it. Which is why a Tim movie where he is to remind Batman he needs Robin is seen as harder to work (not impossible). Because first you need to convince the movie-goers of his importance, of how valuable the bond was. Not all movie-goers are comic readers who are already familiar with all the characters. Majority arent. So if they see a random kid trying to convince Batman that he needs to take him on as a sidekick, they wont necessarily go "kid is right, Batman is definitely acting out because he lost Robin" but may rather think "kid is just making a pitch to get in on the superhero gig".


    We should have a Robin trilogy to make everyone happy.
    1) Dick - introducing Robin, establishing its importance
    2) Jason - the tragedy, the shocking end
    3) Tim - bringing hope and the light back...

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    He had Dick and Alfred to worry about.

    Bruce from the day Dick Grayson became his responsibility has been a father putting his life in order to take care of his child, or a master/teacher forming a disciple/student and his own life and personality improved as a direct result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schumiac View Post
    I think part of the idea is, the movie would need to establish Robin's importance to Batman by showing it, not telling about it. Which is why a Tim movie where he is to remind Batman he needs Robin is seen as harder to work (not impossible). Because first you need to convince the movie-goers of his importance, of how valuable the bond was. Not all movie-goers are comic readers who are already familiar with all the characters. Majority arent. So if they see a random kid trying to convince Batman that he needs to take him on as a sidekick, they wont necessarily go "kid is right, Batman is definitely acting out because he lost Robin" but may rather think "kid is just making a pitch to get in on the superhero gig".


    We should have a Robin trilogy to make everyone happy.
    1) Dick - introducing Robin, establishing its importance
    2) Jason - the tragedy, the shocking end
    3) Tim - bringing hope and the light back...
    Because those are all the robins who have fans right? As someone who has a soft spot for 3 of the Robins not listed I say Boo!

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