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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcanikTiger86 View Post
    Well when you think that Sue Storm only ability was to turn invisible and had people in universe question her worth what can you say, it wasn’t until John Bryne that her powers were expanded and she began to develop into the Sue we know today is it surprising how he treated Gwen who was an actually civilian.
    It's true that Stan Lee didn't write women well, and that's the primary reason why Gwen came to be seen as disposable. You know there were a lot of attempts to write Sue out of the FF. Like people tried to make the girl on the four at various times -- Crystal, Medusa, and so on. If you are saying that Gwen Stacy could have been rounded had she lived longer, I agree with you. I think ideally Conway should have broken Peter and Gwen up, and have her leave the books for a while, and then come back when another writer wanted to revive and pick up threads. That would have worked well for Gwen.

    But at the end of the day, the story that we have is what we have. Gwen is defined by the stories that were written about her when she was alive. That's the true Gwen.

    A pro marriage fan putting down Gwen must be a Monday.
    Roger Stern is not in fact a pro-marriage fan. He was famously and vocally critical of Peter's marriage to MJ. But that doesn't mean he is a fan of Gwen Stacy or Felicia Hardy either as Peter's love interest. Fact is that not everyone who had issues, or have issues with Gwen's character when she was alive are okay with shipping Peter and MJ and so on.

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    Was she aware of all the bad press or was she blinded by revenge because then again that says a lot, doesn’t help that her dad wouldn’t be happy with her though.
    Read the story, ASM #91-92 and decide for yourself.

    Any case, I think people are right and that I might have overstepped in posting so much. It's just that when people say Original Gwen Stacy, I kind of assume it's the issues with the character written until ASM #122 and not the Gwen Stacy across Spider-Man media.

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    I was a big fan of Gwen back in the day. But I had a kiddy crush on her, so I was biased at the time.

    To me she was beautiful and sexy, and feminine, and a more conservative 'good girl Betty' to MJ's 'party girl Veronica' persona.

    When she died and Pete failed to save her, it was a huge shock and a loss for me.

    In retrospect - and after reading back through that whole era a few years back, as an adult - I also see much of the truth about her character that's been covered in this thread. So much of what I had been attached to in the character - honestly - turned out to be a projection and idealization of who I wanted her to be. Not who she actually was as written and depicted on the page.

    I wasn't a huge fan of Slott's last Clone Saga with Ben as the Jackal. It was fairly entertaining. If a bit muddy and loose with plot and character overall.

    But I did enjoy the way he wrote the OG Gwen into the narrative, I liked her role, I liked the way he handled her dialogue and actions ...

    ... and I especially liked a few of the private conversations she had with Pete: about her identity and addressing some of the issues they had in their relationship before she died.

    I can't recall all the specifics of what was said at the moment. I just recall feeling like Slott captured the best parts of the girl that I remember, the way I remembered her, and he left behind a lot of the more questionable stuff that bolloxed up my memories of her.

    Got the feels with those scenes...

    I wanted Clone Gwen to live at that point. I wanted them to keep that going and expand on it. But alas, as far as I know it didn't happen. And her clone body dissolved along with the rest of them

    (....or did it?)

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    It would be fun if clone Gwen DID survive. She's obviously not going to be on friendly terms with Ghost-Spider, because of what she did to her in Clone Conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Von View Post
    I was a big fan of Gwen back in the day. But I had a kiddy crush on her, so I was biased at the time.

    To me she was beautiful and sexy, and feminine, and a more conservative 'good girl Betty' to MJ's 'party girl Veronica' persona.

    When she died and Pete failed to save her, it was a huge shock and a loss for me.

    In retrospect - and after reading back through that whole era a few years back, as an adult - I also see much of the truth about her character that's been covered in this thread. So much of what I had been attached to in the character - honestly - turned out to be a projection and idealization of who I wanted her to be. Not who she actually was as written and depicted on the page.

    I wasn't a huge fan of Slott's last Clone Saga with Ben as the Jackal. It was fairly entertaining. If a bit muddy and loose with plot and character overall.

    But I did enjoy the way he wrote the OG Gwen into the narrative, I liked her role, I liked the way he handled her dialogue and actions ...

    ... and I especially liked a few of the private conversations she had with Pete: about her identity and addressing some of the issues they had in their relationship before she died.

    I can't recall all the specifics of what was said at the moment. I just recall feeling like Slott captured the best parts of the girl that I remember, the way I remembered her, and he left behind a lot of the more questionable stuff that bolloxed up my memories of her.

    Got the feels with those scenes...

    I wanted Clone Gwen to live at that point. I wanted them to keep that going and expand on it. But alas, as far as I know it didn't happen. And her clone body dissolved along with the rest of them

    (....or did it?)
    I disliked so much about Slott’s Spider-Man, the arcs, his tenture on the book, so I didn’t read most of it, but when I saw the covers for the Clone Conspiracy I knew that I had to get the issues.

    Everything you wrote I agree with! When I say that I dislike Slott’s writing, I mean I’m, being honest, predisposed to dislike whatever he writes, but I appreciate the emotions he built between clone Gwen and Peter.

    I can't recall all the specifics of what was said at the moment. I just recall feeling like Slott captured the best parts of the girl that I remember, the way I remembered her...Got the feels with those scenes...
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