Hi. Been pondering making an account for a while, and it was this topic that finally pushed me to do it.
Part of Tim's return to being Robin instead of Red Robin is because he was Robin in Young Justice. Bart's back to being Impulse and Kon's wearing a leather jacket again for the same reason. (Cassie seems to have avoided this, but in the original Wonder Comic's announcement art she's wearing a black shirt with a golden W, red tights and a blue jacket, which looks like a wigless and goggleless updated version of her original design. I wonder why it was changed?)
This might also signify that his character's closer to how it was in Young Justice than later in Post Crisis continuity, before he became Batman Junior, or how he was in Tec, when he was going on about Utopias. And how Tim's character is will reflect what kind of identity he'd graduate into - a Tim with characterisation closer to how he was in the old Young Justice would need to change into a different identity than if Tim had been changed to a new identity in Tynion's Tec.
And how Tim's change is done will also change what he'd graduate into - if Tim, Kon and Bart all change at once, the identities they'd change into would be different than Tim changes by himself, I think.
The only that I know is that SAVIOR is one of the worst identities that they can choose for him..
Is like call him THE CHOOSEN ONE and make the same that with Dke "THE SIGNAL"..
He never recieved one nickname that the people loved and then regretted to see him losing this nickname? I like Jason as Red Hood but I liked Wingman nickname too... Despite ROBIN is perfect for Damian I even miss Redbird nickname too..
I am really inactive.. I didn´t know that, or maybe I forgot that this happened with Assam. What a shame..
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Personally i dont want the character to be Batman. But i acknowledge he is the closest one to Batman in terms of skill set and way of operating. And that Batman trained a successor with him.
A lot of people want a character they like to become batman because of the opportunities it provides, rather than because of the mantle. I have criticized before, but its only natural. Batman gets several books and some actual media cover.
I say that from a creative standpoint that is a good reason for why he shouldn't be (that and the fact that Tim himself hates the idea), he is not that different from Bruce in how he operates and the sucessor should have more unique traits that made him stand out from Bruce.
Another problem that i had, is that i really dislike how Bruce is written 75% of the time these days, most of the time he is an sanctimonius dick, who basically does a lot of "my way or the higth way", i really don't want Tim or any of the Robins having those traits put into then, because Batman more often than not, is pretty unsymphatetic these days, with some execeptions.
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Tim and Conner, yeah, but Bart and Cassie have no need for a new name. There was another Impulse, but she went away when New 52 happened. So Bart's undisputed in that role. And Donna is too old to be Wonder Girl (and could easily be a mantle sharing Wonder Woman), so Cassie has no competition for her codename either.
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In my opinion thats not the case, you can still a ton of unique stories based on Tims background and age. A younger, more inexperienced 80s-90s Batman with a richer background. Also the fact that Tim absolutely hates the idea would actually be the very thing that makes it the most appealing. Its yet another conflict that has to be resolved. Especially knowing the whole thing isnt meant to last.
Anyway, i dont like the idea of him ever being Batman, but i dont hate it either, and i recognize theres a lot of potential there for storytelling.
Yeah. i mean, when i speak of the prototypical Batman im talking about the 90s and BTAS one. Not the one we get these days, King and Snyders Batman is a very uninteresting dumb oaf. Only Batman i kinda like is Priests one, tho making him so stubborn often detracts from the drama and makes the whole thing seem comical and silly.Another problem that i had, is that i really dislike how Bruce is written 75% of the time these days, most of the time he is an sanctimonius dick, who basically does a lot of "my way or the higth way", i really don't want Tim or any of the Robins having those traits put into then, because Batman more often than not, is pretty unsymphatetic these days, with some execeptions.
They should leave the YJ generation quarantined in their book and let the creators do what they want with it. As long as there is an audience for it, leave it be and let it do its thing. If that ever fails, I think Tim should be respectfully written out of the books and shelved until someone comes up with a great idea for him. As it is, he's kind of dead weight. Jason has the Red Hood hook, Dick (as poorly as they treat him) will always be a trailblazing character with too much history and popularity to get rid of no matter what DiDio wants, and Damian is the current and very marketable Robin paired with the new Superboy.
Bruce trained a successor with Dick as well. It doesn't make sense both in and out of universe for anyone else to become Batman if Bruce is out of the picture while Dick is around.