Weakest Supervillain To Defeat A Real World SWAT Team?

[The Dog]

It was the usual Huntress BS by this particular writer.

So, Prommie has managed to lure Huntress, Gypsy, Lady Blackhawk and Shiva (yes, Shiva) into his lair. His big trap consists of...'I'm gonna fight you.'

He then casually blocks two shots from Shiva and one-punches her.

Then he gets into it with Huntress and Gypsy (I'm ignoring Lady Blackhawk, as she did close to nothing at all in this entire fight; it's almost like the writer forgot she was there). He smacks around Huntress, hitting her multiple times whilst bragging about how he's wearing his cool hat that gives him the skills of the twenty-five best martial artists around including Batman, Shiva herself, Richard Dragon, etc.

Note: he one-punches Shiva, but hits Huntress several times and only knocks her down.

He also attacks Gypsy, but where Shiva fall-down-go-boom, Gypsy...dodges his attacks.

So, Huntress is sitting down, her legs in front of her (sticking out, no joke) after getting punched and kicked in the face by Prommie. She starts her big rant about while she isn't as trained as other fighters, she grew up with four brothers (or whatever) and learned to FIGHT DIIIIRRRRTEEE! She then goes from sitting on her rear, legs sticking out in front of her, to leaping forward and punching Prommie in the groin.

1. This...is not an easy thing to do. Try it - have a seat, stick your legs in front of you, then scramble out of that into leaping forward in a crouch to punch. It's awkward and slow as hell, and for Prommie not to see it coming, he must have been asleep.
2. Need I get into my usual rant about 'dirty fighting' and rules and such?
3. Prommie has Dragon, Shiva, and Batman in his helmet. Clearly their skills fall before a simple punch to the groin; obviously they have never, ever seen it before, or used such things themselves.

This nearly puts Prommie down.

Then Gypsy yoinks his little Tonfa toy -- she's not even stealthing, she just takes it from him -- and damn near busts his helmet with it, which...would have rendered him helpless.

We then get a bizarre scene when he still manages to terrify the **** out of all of them, the fight gets called due to the reason for the fight killing themselves (Calculator, as I recall), Prommie makes vague, sinister threats which carry about as much weight as a feather due to him almost losing to a couple of B and C tier fighters, and everyone inexplicably just decides to walk away (Shiva having vanished, possibly so mortified with shame at this BS that she snuck off while everyone was fighting).

It's a horrifically poorly written issue, and clearly made for the sole point of beefing up Helena (Prommie one-punches Shiva, but can't put Helena down and almost gets beaten by her because She Fights Diiiiirty™). I literally stopped collecting Birds of Prey after this issue.

...later on (I read it in the store), the same writer has Helena beat up Shiva by bleeding into her own hand (Shiva has been whupping on her while, according to the art, checking her nails - it looks like this and, honestly, fits) and then throwing her own blood into Shiva's eyes. She then gets in a few shots (including a double-laced-finger-punch, arrgh) while chanting almost word-for-word the I-Groin-Shot-Prommie Dirty Fighting speech, four brothers and all, as I recall.

It's pretty horrific; some people just shouldn't write fight scenes. Or perhaps not lead with their bias so obviously.

Still doesn't beat Tom King's "Heroes in Crisis" issue where Harley Quinn managed to get the best of Batman, Wonder Woman, AND Superman. At the same time. And flaunt away. Yes, really.

[Guy1]

Still doesn't beat Tom King's "Heroes in Crisis" issue where Harley Quinn managed to get the best of Batman, Wonder Woman, AND Superman. At the same time. And flaunt away. Yes, really.

I'll see that and raise you Catwoman beating up three Flashes at once.

[Photon Torme]

Has to be a villain.

Well then that Dwarf Star guy who hassled Ryan Choi aaand The Ghost.

[The Overlord]

Is Stilt-Man bulletproof? If yes, he may well very succeed, despite being a D-lister.

[Powerboy]

It was the usual Huntress BS by this particular writer.

So, Prommie has managed to lure Huntress, Gypsy, Lady Blackhawk and Shiva (yes, Shiva) into his lair. His big trap consists of...'I'm gonna fight you.'

He then casually blocks two shots from Shiva and one-punches her.

Then he gets into it with Huntress and Gypsy (I'm ignoring Lady Blackhawk, as she did close to nothing at all in this entire fight; it's almost like the writer forgot she was there). He smacks around Huntress, hitting her multiple times whilst bragging about how he's wearing his cool hat that gives him the skills of the twenty-five best martial artists around including Batman, Shiva herself, Richard Dragon, etc.

Note: he one-punches Shiva, but hits Huntress several times and only knocks her down.

He also attacks Gypsy, but where Shiva fall-down-go-boom, Gypsy...dodges his attacks.

So, Huntress is sitting down, her legs in front of her (sticking out, no joke) after getting punched and kicked in the face by Prommie. She starts her big rant about while she isn't as trained as other fighters, she grew up with four brothers (or whatever) and learned to FIGHT DIIIIRRRRTEEE! She then goes from sitting on her rear, legs sticking out in front of her, to leaping forward and punching Prommie in the groin.

1. This...is not an easy thing to do. Try it - have a seat, stick your legs in front of you, then scramble out of that into leaping forward in a crouch to punch. It's awkward and slow as hell, and for Prommie not to see it coming, he must have been asleep.
2. Need I get into my usual rant about 'dirty fighting' and rules and such?
3. Prommie has Dragon, Shiva, and Batman in his helmet. Clearly their skills fall before a simple punch to the groin; obviously they have never, ever seen it before, or used such things themselves.

This nearly puts Prommie down.

Then Gypsy yoinks his little Tonfa toy -- she's not even stealthing, she just takes it from him -- and damn near busts his helmet with it, which...would have rendered him helpless.

We then get a bizarre scene when he still manages to terrify the **** out of all of them, the fight gets called due to the reason for the fight killing themselves (Calculator, as I recall), Prommie makes vague, sinister threats which carry about as much weight as a feather due to him almost losing to a couple of B and C tier fighters, and everyone inexplicably just decides to walk away (Shiva having vanished, possibly so mortified with shame at this BS that she snuck off while everyone was fighting).

It's a horrifically poorly written issue, and clearly made for the sole point of beefing up Helena (Prommie one-punches Shiva, but can't put Helena down and almost gets beaten by her because She Fights Diiiiirty™). I literally stopped collecting Birds of Prey after this issue.

...later on (I read it in the store), the same writer has Helena beat up Shiva by bleeding into her own hand (Shiva has been whupping on her while, according to the art, checking her nails - it looks like this and, honestly, fits) and then throwing her own blood into Shiva's eyes. She then gets in a few shots (including a double-laced-finger-punch, arrgh) while chanting almost word-for-word the I-Groin-Shot-Prommie Dirty Fighting speech, four brothers and all, as I recall.

It's pretty horrific; some people just shouldn't write fight scenes. Or perhaps not lead with their bias so obviously.

And, to paraphrase a post of yours from a long ago thread, it also falls in to that stupid garbage that the only possible way a woman could beat a man in a fight is to go for the groin shot which is problematic and, if the intent is some sort of argument that a woman can be just as skilled as a man (which she can though sure there are other factors like reach and so on), it seems a strange thing to then portray that as the only means of winning. But yeah, she fights dirty. Which once more invokes the memory of my old instructor reminding us that martial arts is not just a bunch of tricks that will allow you to beat someone who is just plain better than you.

[The Drunkard Kid]

I can get behind the palm to the nose -- it was explicitly NOT the nosebone strike. Nice try at triggering me. ^_^

Considering the standard of the writing that you described, the nosebone is automatically implied. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that a DIRTY fighter like Huntress had it removed and replaced with a boneless version, just in case she ever had to fight her brothers to the death.

[Captain Smith]

I've heard that the nose bone strike is really baloney. You can smash someone's nose but not drive anything significant into their brain.

[Photon Torme]

Jason Wyngarde, The Mastermind from The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. He could have those swat guys firing on each other.

[GigaBalls]

bullseye? given the armaments he carries his "magical" ability to hit the target and the admantium skeleton implant which somehow doesn't give him admantium poisoning makes him a ideal weak supervillain who can take out a swat team by himself. hell the hand ninjas couldn't even touch him in Shadowland.

This was my first thought too when thinking of a street leveler, Bullseye.

[Marvel-Studios Rep]

The proposed person has to have some characteristic that allows them to avoid or resist being shot and the rounds being effective at reasonable distances, up to sniper distances (which can be longer, obviously). The person also needs some distance abilities to null the threat of the team.

The person also has to have physical skills to avoid, resist and defeat normally strong human combatants (perhaps 5 to 10 simultaneously) with impact and edged weapons, if they close.

Most movies and stories have teams with the stellar abilities of Star Wars Storm Troopers. Most real world trained folks are a touch better.

For example, Cap wouldn't have survived the movie elevator scene if they had just decided to shoot him. Since they did contact him with a taser, that could have been in a close in firearm. The wrist pinning could have been a disabling edged weapon.

Thise taser were superior to real world taser. It's just Cap was too Superhuman to care. They initially wanted to Capture Cap and prevent him from escaping. That's why they didnt bither with guns. They perhaps should of used icers, but they were Hydra and not in possesion of them. As for guns, I'd imagine if they only drew once in the elevator it wouod mean friendly fire.

I dont know about real world swat tactics exactly, but they sound like they are being overrated. Guys like comic Batman have an uncanny sense for knowing when they're being watched. In Knightfall when Bruce is retraining under shiva, we see just that. Aside from the sniper, it woukd be a horrendous curbstomp to put a swat team against even naked Bruce Wayne in a city. With the snioer, I'm not sure. However, I'd still bet on Bruce 9/10

i'd wager deadshot is a weaker once, since he has the range and usually has a bullet proof suit and helmet

[Sharpandpointies]

And, to paraphrase a post of yours from a long ago thread, it also falls in to that stupid garbage that the only possible way a woman could beat a man in a fight is to go for the groin shot which is problematic and, if the intent is some sort of argument that a woman can be just as skilled as a man (which she can though sure there are other factors like reach and so on), it seems a strange thing to then portray that as the only means of winning. But yeah, she fights dirty. Which once more invokes the memory of my old instructor reminding us that martial arts is not just a bunch of tricks that will allow you to beat someone who is just plain better than you.

Truth.

Considering the standard of the writing that you described, the nosebone is automatically implied. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that a DIRTY fighter like Huntress had it removed and replaced with a boneless version, just in case she ever had to fight her brothers to the death.

...niiiice.

I've heard that the nose bone strike is really baloney. You can smash someone's nose but not drive anything significant into their brain.

The point I’ve made before (where possibly you heard it) is that you cannot drive anything into their brain (I mean parts of their nose, not weapons ) unless you punch their entire face in. This isn’t just my opinion, this is anatomy. Have a look at the way the skull is set up. Talk to a doctor. Look for evidence outside of Hollywood that it has ever happened.

I feel the whole thing dates back to The Osterman Weekend. Or an over-enthusiastic student listening to his teacher explain the a palm heel strike upward into the nose hurst like crap-all and can potentially end a fight (NOT the opponent), and that student running blindly with the idea.

Hence, me grumping about it every time the myth gets perpetuated. ^_^

[Sharpandpointies]

I suppose Comic Book humans might have long, spiky ‘nasal bones’ (rather than cartilage) that are aimed directly into convenient, gaping holes in their skulls....

[The Drunkard Kid]

[Guy1]

And, to paraphrase a post of yours from a long ago thread, it also falls in to that stupid garbage that the only possible way a woman could beat a man in a fight is to go for the groin shot which is problematic and, if the intent is some sort of argument that a woman can be just as skilled as a man (which she can though sure there are other factors like reach and so on), it seems a strange thing to then portray that as the only means of winning.

Dragon Tiger Gate to the rescue.

https://i.imgur.com/pCn6jJE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vYhMleF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RulcGvb.jpg

Wrecked that dude just fine without needing a nutshot.

[Alan2099]

Prommie has Dragon, Shiva, and Batman in his helmet. Clearly their skills fall before a simple punch to the groin; obviously they have never, ever seen it before, or used such things themselves.

Promethius ESPECIALLY should not be taken down that way.
In his very first storyline Promethius was taken down by a shot to the nuts from Catwoman. He had the JLA in the palm of his hand and lost it due to a whip to the nads. You would think after that he'd learn and add a metal jockstrap or something to this costume.