That is what Alan2099 and Snoop Dogg said about him, check the previous page.
And if he is smart shouldn't be coming up with more clever crimes that robbing banks and just being hired muscle, Rhino does those things and he is supposed to be an idiot.
Unless he is a thrill seeker who wants to be on the front lines fighting heroes, in terms of pure profit, there are a ton of better ways for him to make a profit.
I don't think they're the same, though.
Mysterio ranges from being a nerd to a thug. Even when he is a thug, he is more obsessed with image than wealth or power. He also has a very theatrical personality. He has more in common with Peter when he went on TV than Peter when was out for money.
Vulture is a grandpa and family man. In Marvel Knights: Spider-Man, he only teamed up with Electro to raise money for his grandson's medical bills. He also expressed disgust with Electro objectifying women.
Electro is interesting because of his insecurities. He has the power of someone like Magneto, but acts as a thug because he can't see the big picture. In Spectacular Spider-Man, Doc Ock even exploits this and turns him into his lackey. Yes, Electro's personality is that of a generic thug, but context matters here. (Although Spectacular Spider-Man's Electro didn't have a thug personality. He was a regular college kid.)
Sandman is kinda the ultimate thug. He enjoys it the most. He loves the thrill that comes with running away from cops and fighting people. It stands out compared to other Spider-Man thugs (except for maybe Hydro-Man, who was a copy of Sandman).
Rhino is almost a parody of toxic masculinity. He is the least intelligent and most over-the-top of them all. He is also the only thug whose interactions with Spidey are fun to watch. Lastly, he is willing to team up with Spider-Man more than the other thugs. He even likes Miles Morales.
Fair point about Shocker, but Shocker was never a top Spider-Man villain. He is known, but he would barely make the top 10.
There is overlap because they are all more-or-less bullies. But I think there's differences.
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Any rogue’s gallery with more then ten villains starts to have duplicates or villains that are too similar. That’s why I always say the ideal rogue’s gallery has between 4 and 9 members. Any less and the characters run the risk of being overused, and you really can’t call it a rogue’s gallery really. (More like a hero with one or two good villains).
But any more then ten you start to have a lot of villains that are kind of similar to more popular villains that are already in the rogue’s gallery. Creators tend to gravitate towards the more well known villains, so you wind up with a bloated gallery of villains, half of which most people don’t know, and are barely used. A good example of this are the goblins and and the symbiotes. Sure they have minor differences, but to a passive bystanders they pretty much come across like “hey it’s Venom, but red and even more murdery” or what if the Green Goblin was a real demon.
I do like most of these villains, but I do think writing them consistently helps.
There have been some times where Mysterio was driven solely by profit (like the fake nursing home), but he is less interested when he is driven by greed, rather than fame and something like Guardian Devil is canon, where Mysterio was very murderous.
Like I disagree that Sandman is the ''ultimate thug'' because he was one of the few Spidey villains who reformed and I think if he remains a criminal, he should have redeeming qualities that reflect that. Thug is not a character, its an archetype.
Rhino has been fleshed out somewhat recently, where he had a wife who was killed a copycat Rhino and became bitter about it, which is pretty interesting. Rhino can still be a thug, but maybe he shouldn't be cartoonishly stupid.
Electro's self-esteem issues can be lost in the shuffle, but its at least an interesting thing that writers can use, so I like that addition to the character.
See people here think I hate Shocker, but that is not the case, I just think a villain who is more of a professional than the others could be super interesting if the writers and fans demanded more from the character and gave him a real defining story, where we see the inner workings of the character.
I have grown to like Vulture, sure sometimes he is still a generic villain and I did not care for his gimmick, but the writers do give him a solid effort a lot of the time.
I think my big thing, is to make Mysterio more actively unsympathetic and make Shocker actively more sympathetic.
I disagree. I don't think there can be a cap on anything to do with creativity. I mean, some villains will obviously be more relevant to the hero than others. No one will dethrone Green Goblin and Doc Ock, for example. Still, you can have an infinite amount of "good" villains.
I was speaking of Sandman from his villain days. He was always the quintessential thug going back to the Lee/Ditko era. I don't think he was that interesting as a hero.
Rhino is a part-parody of thugs in the same way Spider-Man started out as part-parody of superheroes. Not all parodies are cartoonish or can't be taken seriously.
What's also interesting about Electro is he had the most in common with Peter in the Lee/Ditko run (not counting GG and Doc Ock). He was a blue-collar worker like Uncle Ben. He would refuse to help people without being payed, kinda like Peter in Amazing Fantasy #15. Then when he gets his powers, he builds a body device to help him control his electricity (kinda like Peter's webshooters). Amazing Spider-Man #9 is one of my favorite Electro stories of all time.
Agreed that Shocker could be more interesting.
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You could say the same for villainsnofnbatman whonstray off being just batmans problem to major principle figures in villain groups or just plain main character factions that are seen as threata and revered allies and equals to the big league heroes, villains or neutral sides. Spideys baddie outside of venom and black cat are jokes to other top tier hero teams and villain teams.
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