Uncanny X-men #24 Review and Discussion: Emma Dies of Laughter

[Dr. Remy Lebeau]

I just got around to reading this. I have to say, I didn't see this one coming. It came out of left field, and so refreshingly quickly. I thought they were going to drag this story out and the big reveals were going to be at the end. When She-Hulk started reading the will I had to do a double take, and then when she mentioned the big reveal, I had to do a triple take.

I can't wait to find out why he married Mystique and what this means of the future of the X-Men!

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Buddy, Scott bailed on the X-Men, and Henry was the only one to carry on. That says something about Henry's commitment to Xavier's dream and his dedication to his students. Scott is the loser here, not Henry. Notice, no one ever mentioned Scott in HCT. Probably because he became a drunk, homeless bum and died in a gutter carrying on about his dead wife. Emma probably went back the Sebastian Shaw because she wasn't in a very good place at the end of Planet X. In fact, she was packing up and ready to leave, and Henry was telling Emma he'd miss her around the X-Campus because she was such a great teacher.

I implore you, go back and read the post you responded to. The second paragraph was clearly, clearly about making fun of EVERYONE BUT BEAST. Because no matter how awful Henry McCoy has become, canon is canon. Once upon a time, the affection-starved, bipolar nutjob was less lame than everyone but Jean Grey, Scott Summers and Emma Frost. Credit where credit is due.

Dude, It's not the x-men's responsibility to sit around and old Hank's hand.

Agreed, and I am the resident Beast fan. You're reaching Fluffy, and it's getting rather outlandish.

You guys are kidding, right? Not holding Beast's hand 24/7 has worked out terribly, as of late. Besides, they're the X-Men. They don't wanna get political unless their Avengers buddies tell them what to do. They don't wanna be an army unless their Avengers buddies tell them it's okay. They wanna be a family and teach the "children" because there's no mutant community or whatever.

What the hell does the JGS crew have besides holding each other's hand 24/7, lol?

[fod_xp]

I implore you, go back and read the post you responded to. The second paragraph was clearly, clearly about making fun of EVERYONE BUT BEAST. Because no matter how utterly awful Henry McCoy has become, canon is canon. Once upon a time, the affection-starved, bipolar nutjob was less lame than everyone but Jean Grey, Scott Summers and Emma Frost. Credit where credit is due.

I couldn't tell with your backhanded delivery. Even now, this post reads like really hateful backhanded attempts to defend Beast's characters without actually defending Beast's character. It's pretty rude and condescending. I read your post, and I took out of it was Jean is a clingy ex and Henry is insanely jealous stalker.

Did it ever once occur to you that Henry could have turned Scott over to S.H.I.E.L.D. at any time, but didn't? When Scott invaded the JGS and started ranting and accusing Henry of trying to kill him and his students with Sentinels, Henry never once threatened Scott to turn him over to S.H.I.E.L.D. custody. Instead, Henry simply knows where Scott is hiding, but does nothing. Henry doesn't attack Scott, he doesn't try to hack Scott's tech, and nor does he conspire with any other person or agency to harm Scott and his school. Henry simply leaves Scott alone.

That hardly sounds like an affection-starved nutter. Henry is keeping tabs on Scott, yes. But not once has Henry made any threats or hostile actions against Scott since AvX. That says something about Henry, while Scott barged onto the JGS and started blaming Henry for making Sentinels out to kill him and mutants in general. That makes Scott the affection-starved nutjob. Not Henry.

You guys are kidding, right? Not holding Beast's hand 24/7 has worked out terribly, as of late. Besides, they're the X-Men. They don't wanna get political unless their Avengers buddies tell them what to do. They don't wanna be an army unless their Avengers buddies tell them it's okay. They wanna be a family and teach the "children" because there's no mutant community or whatever.

What the hell does the JGS crew have besides holding each other's hand 24/7, lol?

We're talking about the real X-Men, back during the Grant Morrison New X-Men and the Chris Claremont X-Treme X-Men days.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

I couldn't tell with your backhanded delivery. Even now, this post reads like really hateful backhanded attempts to defend Beast's characters without actually defending Beast's character. It's pretty rude and condescending. I read your post, and I took out of it was Jean is a clingy ex and Henry is insanely jealous stalker.

Sure, that too. Why not. No idea what this has to do with HCT!Beast being canonically less lame than everyone but Jean Grey, Scott Summers and Emma Frost., though.

Did it ever once occur to you that Henry could have turned Scott over to S.H.I.E.L.D. at any time, but didn't?

Of course it did. Beast didn't do anything because he doesn't want the students to think he's an insanely jealous stalker. Because he's an affection-starved, bipolar nutjob. For what it's worth, the same still goes for Storm, Wolverine and Iceman. Bendis made it abundantly clear that they would totally take Scott out if they could pull it off without coming off as total douchebags.

We're talking about the real X-Men, back during the Grant Morrison New X-Men and the Chris Claremont X-Treme X-Men days.

So am I. HCT!Beast took on the mantle of headmaster and none of his "friends" who stuck around could be bothered to alleviate his burden or even notice him unraveling. Because responsibilities that transcend "feeling good about themselves" are totally lost on these guys. That's the people we're talking about alright.

[Justin K.]

this was a piec e of crap why am I still readin g thisas?

[fod_xp]

Sure, that too. Why not. No idea what this has to do with HCT!Beast being canonically less lame than everyone but Jean Grey, Scott Summers and Emma Frost., though.

I'll give you Emma and Jean, but Scott ran away while Henry stayed until he broke. Henry>Scott. Instead of facing up to his responsibilities and duties as an X-Man, Scott ran away and left the School, Henry, and Emma to fend for themselves.

That makes Scott a freaking loser. Hard CANON from Grant Morrison's Here Comes Tomorrow. It's sort of pathetic when your dead estranged wife turned God-like entity has to push you into a romantic relationship with your mistress because Scott can't decide anything for himself.

Of course it did. Beast didn't do anything because he doesn't want the students to think he's an insanely jealous stalker.

So is that why Henry never showed up at the NXS ranting and raving about secret conspiracies and Sentinels trying to kill him? Oh that's right! That was Scott, ranting and raging, like a deranged nutter, accusing the JGS and Henry of trying to kill him with Sentinels. Scott has made many intrusions to the JGS uninvited, while, Henry, knowing where Scott is, has made none. That suggests Henry is decent enough to respect Scott's privacy, and makes Henry the better person. Henry isn't constantly invading Scott's base and accusing Scott of secret conspiracies and paranoid delusions.

Because he's an affection-starved, bipolar nutjob.

That's very offensive to people who are actually bi-polar, and it proves you don't know what that diagnosis really means.

For what it's worth, the same still goes for Storm, Wolverine and Iceman. Bendis made it abundantly clear that they would totally take Scott out if they could pull it off without coming off as total douchebags.

This comment has no worth as it is another backhanded "compliment" without actually complimenting anyone.

So am I. HCT!Beast took on the mantle of headmaster and none of his "friends" who stuck around could be bothered to alleviate his burden or even notice him unraveling.

Especially Scott, who was the first to run away. Which is a major plot point I see you are deliberately ignoring.

[Daymare]

Yeah, but I understand why, if you weren't a comic book fan and you just happened upon one of his books, Land's art would look nice. I have never bought anything with Land's art in it, as I find his drawings/tracings creepy; his figures look static and their facial expressions bear no relevance to their dialogue or what's meant to be happening, but they're not technically bad drawings, taken in isolation.

Bachalo is messy, sometimes to the point of being unfollowable, but I think he still carries a lot of good will from his earlier work where he proved that he can draw when he wants to. Early Bachalo, when he was more in the style of Bill Sienkiewicz or Sam Kieth than Joe Madureira, was really good.

I just find Anka completely slapdash. He rarely draws backgrounds. He doesn't draw faces when he can get away with it. He's got that annoying "mouth turned down at the corners" face that everybody pulls at least once per page. I get the impression from Anka that he's quickly storybording as a camera guide rather than producing finished art for an A-list comic book. I don't know what his background is, but I wouldn't be surprised if he'd done commercial storyboarding or something and transferred to comics.

Excellent points and good on ya for being respectful to the artists.
Land did a great job on his DC and Crossgen books, not sure when he started to be a chronic tracker and lighting artist so much but he obviously knows people are aware (including his bosses) so someone somewhere is very honey badger about it. To be fair he has started to really get back to storytelling in Mighty so he may keep it up in SW.
I personally love Bachalo's work. I really like the continued transformation he does as an artist, but I do have to say this has been the hardest period I have found to follow his design. As poorly as anyone thinks it may be, try to emulate it and the appreciation will be found.
Anka...you are right on, he comes from storyboarding and animation as far as I can tell from his Tumblr. He will grow in time I think, but the lack of backgrounds and detail is a disconnect. I know he is a digital artist so he should use the same programs some of them do to generate their background and then add the people to the renders (like Marquez shows in the second ANXM collection). I am not a fan of Anka but I understand the appeal as it is at least easy to follow art, and again, he will improve. I think he would be better served to have an inker and colorist and not do it all himself, but an inker would most likely become a finisher and change the aesthetic.

[Kisinith]

I'll give you Emma and Jean, but Scott ran away while Henry stayed until he broke. Henry>Scott. Instead of facing up to his responsibilities and duties as an X-Man, Scott ran away and left the School, Henry, and Emma to fend for themselves.

That makes Scott a freaking loser. Hard CANON from Grant Morrison's Here Comes Tomorrow. It's sort of pathetic when your dead estranged wife turned God-like entity has to push you into a romantic relationship with your mistress because Scott can't decide anything for himself.

So is that why Henry never showed up at the NXS ranting and raving about secret conspiracies and Sentinels trying to kill him? Oh that's right! That was Scott, ranting and raging, like a deranged nutter, accusing the JGS and Henry of trying to kill him with Sentinels. Scott has made many intrusions to the JGS uninvited, while, Henry, knowing where Scott is, has made none. That suggests Henry is decent enough to respect Scott's privacy, and makes Henry the better person. Henry isn't constantly invading Scott's base and accusing Scott of secret conspiracies and paranoid delusions.

That's very offensive to people who are actually bi-polar, and it proves you don't know what that diagnosis really means.

This comment has no worth as it is another backhanded "compliment" without actually complimenting anyone.

Especially Scott, who was the first to run away. Which is a major plot point I see you are deliberately ignoring.

Your right, its not a compliment for Beast it reads as a shot at everyone other than Beast, Jean, Emma and Cyclops. Also its been a long time since I read HCT but correct me if I'm wrong wasn't the point of that that everyone (other than Jean) was terrible without each of the others to fall back on and that once one of the key pieces was removed then everything did the slow swirly into oblivion. My take was that it was renforcing the idea that divided they fall. Scott was the first of the dominos to fall, but he did have a bit more to deal with than the others. Lets face it, since Morrison Scotts the comic book posterchild for PTSD.

Now I could totally be wrong about that because I freely admit I hated Morrisons run, still do, and only read it once. It was great as a what if/elseworlds, out of continuity piece but in continuity I despised it.

Now back to Bendis, my hope is that as things seem to be coming to a head, the Will, the upcoming trial of Beast, that we might actually get back to a bit more of a classic Scott/Beast pairing. I freely admit I despise current Beast but he used to be my second favorite. What I'd like to see is him lose the oversized chip on his shoulder get back to more of a bantering, sarcastic Beast and join the NXS. Actually if he could poach Rachel as well then that would be just about perfect. Whatever else you can say about Bendis he does do banter very well. I'm totally willing to forgive the glacial pace if he restores that bit of the status quo.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Especially Scott, who was the first to run away. Which is a major plot point I see you are deliberately ignoring.

Xavier was the first to run away, actually.

I'll give you Emma and Jean, but Scott ran away while Henry stayed until he broke. Henry>Scott. Instead of facing up to his responsibilities and duties as an X-Man, Scott ran away and left the School, Henry, and Emma to fend for themselves.

That makes Scott a freaking loser. Hard CANON from Grant Morrison's Here Comes Tomorrow.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. No mention whatsoever of Xavier being a hard CANONICAL loser. There I was, doing the right thing and spreading the blame around instead of unfairly focusing on HCT!Beast's failure and all I'm getting is "Cyclops this, Cyclops that, oh noes, Cyclops is such a big meanie."

This comment has no worth as it is another backhanded "compliment" without actually complimenting anyone.

Who said anything about compliments? This is about fairness. Beast isn't alone in his rrrhatred. Folks should be making fun of Wolverine and his empty threats of finishing things with Cyclops once and for all. Folks should be making fun of Storm for being the most clueless, bitter she-bro ever. Folks should be making fun of Iceman for so desperately wanting people to acknowledge him as a grown-up. Fair is fair.

[fod_xp]

Xavier was the first to run away, actually.



See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. No mention whatsoever of Xavier being a hard CANONICAL loser. There I was, doing the right thing and spreading the blame around instead of unfairly focusing on HCT!Beast's failure and all I'm getting is "Cyclops this, Cyclops that, oh noes, Cyclops is such a big meanie."



Who said anything about compliments? This is about fairness. Beast isn't alone in his rrrhatred. Folks should be making fun of Wolverine and his empty threats of finishing things with Cyclops once and for all. Folks should be making fun of Storm for being the most clueless, bitter she-bro ever. Folks should be making fun of Iceman for so desperately wanting people to acknowledge him as a grown-up. Fair is fair.

It's the lack of Scott apologizing to the rest of the X-Men, Magneto, and Emma that he screwed up bad, and the current shape the X-Men are in is essentially his fault. This isn't about anyone else. This is about Scott. Scott messed up, even if he was possessed by the Phoenix Force and was not in control of himself. He still handled the aftermath of AvX in the worst way imaginable.

That's probably what would mend the X-Men; Scott gathering the X-Men together and saying he was wrong and he's sorry. Not "sorry things didn't turn out my way" or "sorry you feel that way." He needs to bite the bullet and say "I messed up, bad, and I am sorry."

[Cyclops]

Nah, my dear friend Beast has to say sorry first for his sins, before I say sorry.

[fod_xp]

Nah, my dear friend Beast has to say sorry first for his sins, before I say sorry.

You realize "Cyclops" and "Beast" are fictitious comic book character, right? If not, call up your health care provider to make an appointment with a mental health care specialist.

[Cyclops]

You realize "Cyclops" and "Beast" are fictitious comic book character, right? If not, call up your health care provider to make an appointment with a mental health care specialist.

Nope, you are the one messing it up. I just want to say that my dear friend Beast is out his mind lately, you have to forgive him. Anyway, got to go, a lot of mutants to save today.

[Sundowhn]

It's the lack of Scott apologizing to the rest of the X-Men, Magneto, and Emma that he screwed up bad, and the current shape the X-Men are in is essentially his fault. This isn't about anyone else. This is about Scott. Scott messed up, even if he was possessed by the Phoenix Force and was not in control of himself. He still handled the aftermath of AvX in the worst way imaginable.

That's probably what would mend the X-Men; Scott gathering the X-Men together and saying he was wrong and he's sorry. Not "sorry things didn't turn out my way" or "sorry you feel that way." He needs to bite the bullet and say "I messed up, bad, and I am sorry."

Basically, yes. The narrative needs to veer away from the Cyclops was right thing for Schism to ever really heal. It needs to have him take real ownership of everything that happened -- not the Marty Stu variety where the story continues to play out to justify him or where the others (Beast, Wolverine, JGS in general) are portrayed as unreasonable and unfair towards him but are given no substance in the narrative to their own stance.

The PF doesn't create motives, or it never has before. It takes what's already there and intensifies it. In Scott's case, that was a desire to control the world, remake it by force into what he thought it should be and to get the "outdated" and interfering Xavier out of his way. That's just what happened during AvX. The aftermath was worse and the story line perpetuates the idea that an extremist, anti-authoritarian (stick it to the machine) mutant Che Guevara is the guy who is supposedly the hero of the story.

[gambitxremy]

Xavier with moria during college Goes to war then moria breaks up with him
Travels the world for some time, (could of meet raven then)

In sabretooth and mystique #1-#4 raven is in the middle east region around the same time as Charles (maybe)

Charles meets gaberielle haller and has a brief relationship then travels more

Loses the use of his legs during a fight and meets Amelia voght and is in a relationship till almost x-men #1

X-men #1 thru x-men 105 no relationship as we know of so he could of married raven in this time

Xen 105 many years till new x-men 133 he is with lilandra

Note during new x-men, HOM till AVX (death) Charles is walking and in the hologram he is in a wheelchair

So three theorys

.1 Raven was always Moria

.2 Charles meet raven some time after the war or in his travels

.3 meet raven during X-men #1 thru to a little after giant size x-men #1

anyone else have any ideas when he could of married raven