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    Quote Originally Posted by sureshot View Post
    It would make for some interesting secret history. Until they do a mini that explores the history. her being married to Xavier just feels tacked on to generate sales imo. I would have liked to see it be built up over time. Now to me at least it does seem like a ploy to get more sales from tying in the movies and comics together. I also hope it is Mystique defying Charles and waging a war on the X-men. The X-men being caught in between them both and victims of the entire affair. Another problem is how Mystique has been written post Messiah Complex. Up until then she had motivations. Neither good nor evil. She did what she needed to do to accomplish a goal. If innocents died or she needed to kill people she did. At least their was a goal. While also being somewhat of a sympathetic character. Now after MC the character has been written with zero to very little motivations. Some that don't make sense. Her character suddenly becoming greedy and wanting a island was just out of character imo. As well no personality. A sociopath, psychotic clown with a anti-X-men obsession. I'm hoping that with the will we will possibly see a reformed Mystique. If not that at least well written. As imo the character has become like 99% of Marvel villains. Besides Magneto and Doctor Doom how many truly stand out.
    Gee, what if it's even darker than that? What if Xavier deliberately made Mystique this way to mind control her into doing stuff reprehensible, and the rest of the will will say for Emma Frost to release the mind lock on Mystique. The Dark secret could be that Xavier never had his dark side under control, like the Sentry. Mystique would then go ballistic over what Xavier had used he for all this time. See, I always thought Xavier had to be doing more than face value, just like we just found out Fury was doing more than face value also. I could always believe Xavier had to be manipulating the world on some level, because why not? He is the most powerful telepath on the planet, and he just closes his mind to the potential? He is an Illuminati. They just bulldoze themselves where ever they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochedalaix View Post
    Makes no sense if Michael Malloy is a mutant and Charles has been mind wiping him for 14 years than Michael would have been depowered during House of M, and if he wasn't depowered than his powers would have came back when Charles was depowered, in other words there is no reason why the X-Men wouldn't have found out about Michael by now.
    Not everyone got depowered after HOM. And not necessarily would Michaels powers come back if Charles is depowered, because Sentry's mind locks stayed in place even though Mastermind died. Something else is going on here. Maybe Michaels repowering is a symptom of a much darker awakening that is a result of Charles' death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohsnapulon5000 View Post
    i mean..... ProfX is gonna reveal that he was partly responsible for the huge brain hoax that was Haus of M, right? i mean that's how so many mutants survived M-day unscanned. Come on, House of M read like a weird psychic birthday card to Chuck's bestie, Magneto- the dude had to have had a hand in that sh**show.
    It's not a bad theory. It certainly would be some secret history for Charles to admit Charles took control of Wanda and what Wanda did with HOM was indeed Charles manipulating her, because HOM was Charles fantasy, not Wanda's. Ho baby, wouldn't that be some admission?

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    Charles and Mystique had another baby, he mindwiped it from her and took it away cause it "was too dangerous".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brightside View Post
    He has Avenger protection. He'll be "fine".
    not anymore he doesn't. cap's fairly into "beat illuminati bloody" mode

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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post


    wasn't the decimation wanda getting back at mags for his terrible parenting AND xavier for trying to have the avengers and x-men kill her?
    Wanda was bats*** crazy, so she didn't know how to function like that. It's quite possible Charles put all those words in her mouth about no more mutants.

    But if that was the case, then Charles may be the secret villain that caused Avengers Disassembled. And if he could do that, Charles could be the secret villain behind the Civil War. All of this then starts to become very frightening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLAAMJR. View Post
    Cyclops didnt kill Professor X. Mystique is Cyclops since the schism.
    She-Hulk reading the will could be Mystique

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Charles and Mystique had another baby, he mindwiped it from her and took it away cause it "was too dangerous".
    Oh shit I like that idea go on

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Aaron had free reign to do whatever the hell he wanted. He addressed the Schism in the very last issue of volume 1 and then reset it all when he started Volume 2 himself. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. Same in Amazing X-Men during Nightcrawlers welcome home party. Wolverine and Cyclops already sat down and spoke about it in volume 1 of WATXM but the animosity was still there.

    Finally you are mistaken once more, Aaron didn't go because he wasn't delivering on his side of things. Heck they gave him a second book. He went cause he had too many books to write.

    That book should have been controlled by the editors. Maybe they would have reeled his ideas in.
    I have no idea why Aaron went, he hasn't made it public, but if X-Men editors were looking at poor sales of WatXM and contributing it to Aaron, then they've done absolutely nothing to make that title, or the one they stuck Kyost on, any more relevant regarding premise. Right now, they are just the titles to read if you want something other than Lee's rehashes or Cyke and crew.

    And yes, it got addressed as soon as Nightcrawler was rescued, in the very next issue after the opening arc. Too bad Aaron left afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackolover View Post
    Wanda was bats*** crazy, so she didn't know how to function like that. It's quite possible Charles put all those words in her mouth about no more mutants.

    But if that was the case, then Charles may be the secret villain that caused Avengers Disassembled. And if he could do that, Charles could be the secret villain behind the Civil War. All of this then starts to become very frightening.
    which begs the question... why not do that with Doom?

    through the use of wanda, he broke the avengers as they were permanently and ended the slow take over by mutantkind that would threaten his whole rule the world forever sctick
    but marvel's fetish of "no, doom would never do that, must be doombot/doom is never defeated, especially by richards, its a doombot" prevents that.

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    Aaron left to write Star Wars, which is much more high profile than Nightcrawler adventures. Why is this being discussed?

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    Hasn't bendis written raven somewhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundowhn View Post
    I have no idea why Aaron went, he hasn't made it public, but if X-Men editors were looking at poor sales of WatXM and contributing it to Aaron, then they've done absolutely nothing to make that title, or the one they stuck Kyost on, any more relevant regarding premise. Right now, they are just the titles to read if you want something other than Lee's rehashes or Cyke and crew.

    And yes, it got addressed as soon as Nightcrawler was rescued, in the very next issue after the opening arc. Too bad Aaron left afterwards.
    Aaron was given a second book despite poor sales. If you go and dig for his last interviews (I'm not going to do it for you) he gives a reason for why he left. His schedule didn't permit writing so many books. He says it at least twice.

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    Xavier with moria during college Goes to war then moria breaks up with him
    Travels the world for some time, (could of meet raven then)

    In sabretooth and mystique #1-#4 raven is in the middle east region around the same time as Charles (maybe)

    Charles meets gaberielle haller and has a brief relationship then travels more

    Loses the use of his legs during a fight and meets Amelia voght and is in a relationship till almost x-men #1

    X-men #1 thru x-men 105 no relationship as we know of so he could of married raven in this time

    Xen 105 many years till new x-men 133 he is with lilandra

    Note during new x-men, HOM till AVX (death) Charles is walking and in the hologram he is in a wheelchair

    So three theorys

    .1 Raven was always Moria

    .2 Charles meet raven some time after the war or in his travels

    .3 meet raven during X-men #1 thru to a little after giant size x-men #1

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    So not only did Bendis mind control Aaron into writing bad comics(subjective) lie about the tone of his comics actually being editorially mandated he also somehow managed to have Aaron publicly lie about the reason he left Amazing X-Men.

    What are the limits of his powers guys??

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    Aaron left to write Star Wars, which is much more high profile than Nightcrawler adventures. Why is this being discussed?
    But why wasn't CC allowed to write a team book??? WHY??
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