what are your thought about recently snyder's cosmology changing?

[qwertyuiop1998]

like current sixth dimension become multiverse's control room,multiverse forged in there,but back at post-crisis JLA issues,we already got a 6th dimension version.
perpetua relationship with monitor and anti-monitor,at grant morrison's concepts,is that the two beings are probes from overvoid.so perpetua become them mother look like very confusion.......
also dark multiverse concept is very similar to DC's hell,constructed by negative thoughts,emotions ETC.
so,in short,we get a lot of infrastructure change on dc cosmology.my questions is do you like it(or some part of those concepts)or dislike it(again,or some part of those concepts)

[Ascended]

I'm not terribly bothered by the changes. For one thing, a lot of stuff like this doesn't get touched unless its Morrison himself writing it, and that happens so rarely I can't see any reason to limit writers when they actually want to play in that sandbox. If we could get Morrison on a book year-in and year-out, month after month, that'd be one thing. But better to change a few details than to just let the ideas collect dust.

I figure, once you hit that level of higher dimension, conventional definitions break down. Perpetua could be the mother of the Monitor and Anti-Monitor and they can still be probes at the same time. It's a layer of space so far above us it defies understanding, so why not?

And the dark multiverse isn't hell. It's the multiverse's recycling bin. Worlds that can't find a place in the multiverse sink back down into the dark multiverse, where they're recycled by the world forge. The reason why the DM was "hell" was because Barbatos stopped doing his job and screwed things up. With him defeated and the world forge reignited, in theory the DM should start getting less horrible.

Now, I'd rather writers adhere to the continuity as much as they possibly can. That's the job, that's part of dealing with the corporate DC toys. But I dont believe continuity has to be a noose around the writer's neck either.

[Flash Gordon]

It's a lot of nonsense so it is fun...until it isn't- but easily ignored.

I prefer BIG WILD JL stories but they need to be kinda sorta contained, ya know? Drowned Earth looked like it ended civilization...in the background...never to be addressed again.

So make big wild stories but be kind of aware? Like Metropolis shouldn't get totally destroyed on page, if everything is going back to business hours the following issue.

[BohemiaDrinker]

Not a fan. Feels like trying too hard, but with very little to back it up.

[HandofPrometheus]

I'm not terribly bothered by the changes. For one thing, a lot of stuff like this doesn't get touched unless its Morrison himself writing it, and that happens so rarely I can't see any reason to limit writers when they actually want to play in that sandbox. If we could get Morrison on a book year-in and year-out, month after month, that'd be one thing. But better to change a few details than to just let the ideas collect dust.

I figure, once you hit that level of higher dimension, conventional definitions break down. Perpetua could be the mother of the Monitor and Anti-Monitor and they can still be probes at the same time. It's a layer of space so far above us it defies understanding, so why not?

And the dark multiverse isn't hell. It's the multiverse's recycling bin. Worlds that can't find a place in the multiverse sink back down into the dark multiverse, where they're recycled by the world forge. The reason why the DM was "hell" was because Barbatos stopped doing his job and screwed things up. With him defeated and the world forge reignited, in theory the DM should start getting less horrible.

Now, I'd rather writers adhere to the continuity as much as they possibly can. That's the job, that's part of dealing with the corporate DC toys. But I dont believe continuity has to be a noose around the writer's neck either.

Was just going to say that. No one really touches it so I don't have a problem with it. So far I'm not bothered by it.

[Buried Alien]

Anti-Monitor has no fewer than four different origin stories now:

1. Original COIE origin as told by Marv Wolfman back in 1986.

2. FINAL CRISIS origin as told by Grant Morrison in 2009.

3. DARKSEID WAR origin as told by Geoff Johns in 2016.

4. JUSTICE LEAGUE origin as told by Scott Snyder in 2019.

None of these origins jibes with the others.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I don't really have a problem with any of it aside from it being a tad too "EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED!"

Snyder's already explicitly said that history was altered by the Totality's trip through the timestream, so all this is just the latest revision of the primordial origins of the DCU, which, as Buried has just pointed out, is pretty much the new normal when it comes to this stuff.

The only constant to the DCU's past is that it's always in a state of flux, be it from Krona's original sin, The Monitor Bros grudge match, Parallax's psychotic nostalgia trip, Superboy-Prime's hissy fits, Dr. Manhattan's tinkering, or Jonni DC getting drunk at the Xmas party

[Buried Alien]

I don't really have a problem with any of it aside from it being a tad too "EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED!"

Snyder's already explicitly said that history was altered by the Totality's trip through the timestream, so all this is just the latest revision of the primordial origins of the DCU, which, as Buried has just pointed out, is pretty much the new normal when it comes to this stuff.

The only constant to the DCU's past is that it's always in a state of flux, be it from Krona's original sin, The Monitor Bros grudge match, Parallax's psychotic nostalgia trip, Superboy-Prime's hissy fits, Dr. Manhattan's tinkering, or Jonni DC getting drunk at the Xmas party

The way DC time works, it is possible to uneat a dinner you ate five years ago.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[FlashEarthOne]

Anti-Monitor has no fewer than four different origin stories now:

1. Original COIE origin as told by Marv Wolfman back in 1986.

2. FINAL CRISIS origin as told by Grant Morrison in 2009.

3. DARKSEID WAR origin as told by Geoff Johns in 2016.

4. JUSTICE LEAGUE origin as told by Scott Snyder in 2019.

None of these origins jibes with the others.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Yup! No consistency with the guy!

[BruceWayneJr.]

Not a fan. Feels like trying too hard, but with very little to back it up.

That's how I feel about Snyder in general.

[kilderkin]

I can't pretend I've really understood it all

But I'm having a lot of fun

[Devaishwarya]

I can't pretend I've really understood it all

But I'm having a lot of fun

This.
I don't care about the continuity "issues" of this run in particular because I honestly haven't been that invested in the previous JL runs...so this is all pretty new to me. That said, some of Snyder's concepts are a tad over my head but I'm really enjoying what he's doing, so far. I'm certainly not bored with his concept and execution.