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    Making an army of cybernetic clones of X-23? There are easier ways to get stabbed to death, but I guess some people just have to do things the hard way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    I honestly don't know if we'll ever get the old Laura back. I mean yes, I expect her to grow and change. But she's gone from cerebral, mature and deep.
    To girl from American tv soap, whose biggest concern is her Instagram profile. I find it hard to care about this character, something I had no problems at all with under Kyle and Yost. I strongly think that this book is headed for the chopping block.
    Where do you get your perspectives from? They are always so disconnected from the text you're ostensibly commenting on.

    This arc has become lackluster, and full of annoying continuity errors (well assumed, should give her till the arcs end to clear it up.) but the actual characterization is decent; she is no "girl from American tv soap, whose biggest concern is her Instagram profile" in this series, as she was no "UFC fighter" in the last.

    I mean, give a single moment that supports that supposition, and I will tell you how you have cherry picked and decontextualized, because that is the only way you could come to these conclusions.

    I mean there are depths that are being completely ignored for this character; possibly because addressing them would highlight how much that relationship with Warren did not work... or just ignorance on the writers part.

    So you're not misunderstanding my own position on this, Marvels lack of overall coherency and consistency with this character (and just in general) both in characterization and continuity, has stripped my capacity for investment in this character to a gossamer thread; instead of attempting reconciling this contradictory nonsense they keep telling us, they just ignore it.
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    Context is king.

    X-23's most basic surface level characteristic that any idiot should grasp: Stoicism.
    I don't demand that her every minor appearance be a nuance in-depth examination of her character, but is it to much to ask she be written in Archetype?! This is storytelling 101! If you want people to stay invested in a character, you need to, at the bare minimum, write them such a way that they can plausibly be believed to be the same character!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nazrel View Post
    I mean, give a single moment that supports that supposition, and I will tell you how you have cherry picked and decontextualized, because that is the only way you could come to these conclusions.
    Good luck with that. I've asked many times for them to back it up with actual examples and have been ignored. It was especially fun during ANXM/ANW when they were consistently flipping Taylor and Hopless' characterization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    I honestly don't know if we'll ever get the old Laura back. I mean yes, I expect her to grow and change. But she's gone from cerebral, mature and deep.
    To girl from American tv soap, whose biggest concern is her Instagram profile. I find it hard to care about this character, something I had no problems at all with under Kyle and Yost. I strongly think that this book is headed for the chopping block.
    It's already on borrowed time. I fully expect another relaunch when Age of X-Man is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelMaster616 View Post
    Making an army of cybernetic clones of X-23? There are easier ways to get stabbed to death, but I guess some people just have to do things the hard way.
    The man was already crippled by trying the cloning method the first time. Maybe he’s trying to go for a Rasputin Death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    yeah sure that too
    but if you're doing a book about hunting cloners
    might as well hunt the best cloner
    That would actually be the High Evolutionary (according to ASM 16 by Nick Spencer), but sure, let's run with that, and we could still get a Scarlet Spider(s) team-up out of it. Wait . . . didn't Ben kill Warren as his final act as the Jackal in the Clone Conspiracy epilogue in ASM 24 (by Dan Slott)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    That would actually be the High Evolutionary (according to ASM 16 by Nick Spencer), but sure, let's run with that, and we could still get a Scarlet Spider(s) team-up out of it. Wait . . . didn't Ben kill Warren as his final act as the Jackal in the Clone Conspiracy epilogue in ASM 24 (by Dan Slott)?
    you're right let her fight high evo too

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    "You know... I'm pretty sick of listening to geniuses like you"

    "I mean I could give you a whole speech, but I'd rather just end this"

    Cringe dialogue, who lets this past editorial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia View Post
    I honestly don't know if we'll ever get the old Laura back. I mean yes, I expect her to grow and change. But she's gone from cerebral, mature and deep.
    To girl from American tv soap, whose biggest concern is her Instagram profile. I find it hard to care about this character, something I had no problems at all with under Kyle and Yost. I strongly think that this book is headed for the chopping block.
    What the hell are you talking about?
    You don't need to like this book but there's no way to read this and somehow think Laura is written as "soap opera girl obsessed with Instagram" unless you're just trying to make things up.

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    I like X-23 in general, but since the sisters arc there is something that have been bugging me, and I have to say it.

    Why the obsession on cloning Laura even without her healing factor and claws?

    Without her healing factor she is just a normal woman with a great training, and training can be granted to anyone, so there is no need to clone her when there are a ton of characters out there, easier to reach and with actual useful power sets. I can justify the sisters arc since that was a failed project and they were scraping to avoid economical losses, so yes, we have already this 10 girls let's train her and see what happen, not the best excuse but at least an excuse. Let's not forget that the project who give life to Laura was also a "failed" one, they wanted a Wolverine clone but for lack of genetic material they made a daughter and she resulted an assassin as good as Wolverine so they went away.

    But now I can't just find a good justification to make Laura involved, why clone her knowing that you can't get what makes her powerful?

    About this specific issue, I agree that feels somewhat "seeing before" and predictable and at least want a good twist before the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coatl View Post

    Why the obsession on cloning Laura even without her healing factor and claws?
    They want a weapon to surpass Metal Gear....I mean Laura.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coatl View Post
    I like X-23 in general, but since the sisters arc there is something that have been bugging me, and I have to say it.

    Why the obsession on cloning Laura even without her healing factor and claws?

    Without her healing factor she is just a normal woman with a great training, and training can be granted to anyone, so there is no need to clone her when there are a ton of characters out there, easier to reach and with actual useful power sets. I can justify the sisters arc since that was a failed project and they were scraping to avoid economical losses, so yes, we have already this 10 girls let's train her and see what happen, not the best excuse but at least an excuse. Let's not forget that the project who give life to Laura was also a "failed" one, they wanted a Wolverine clone but for lack of genetic material they made a daughter and she resulted an assassin as good as Wolverine so they went away.

    But now I can't just find a good justification to make Laura involved, why clone her knowing that you can't get what makes her powerful?

    About this specific issue, I agree that feels somewhat "seeing before" and predictable and at least want a good twist before the end.
    Well I can think of 2 possible rationals for this, though they have done nothing to establish either; branding and/or spite... the latter would make Chandler very, very stupid.
    Context is king.

    X-23's most basic surface level characteristic that any idiot should grasp: Stoicism.
    I don't demand that her every minor appearance be a nuance in-depth examination of her character, but is it to much to ask she be written in Archetype?! This is storytelling 101! If you want people to stay invested in a character, you need to, at the bare minimum, write them such a way that they can plausibly be believed to be the same character!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coatl View Post
    I like X-23 in general, but since the sisters arc there is something that have been bugging me, and I have to say it.

    Why the obsession on cloning Laura even without her healing factor and claws?

    Without her healing factor she is just a normal woman with a great training, and training can be granted to anyone, so there is no need to clone her when there are a ton of characters out there, easier to reach and with actual useful power sets. I can justify the sisters arc since that was a failed project and they were scraping to avoid economical losses, so yes, we have already this 10 girls let's train her and see what happen, not the best excuse but at least an excuse. Let's not forget that the project who give life to Laura was also a "failed" one, they wanted a Wolverine clone but for lack of genetic material they made a daughter and she resulted an assassin as good as Wolverine so they went away.

    But now I can't just find a good justification to make Laura involved, why clone her knowing that you can't get what makes her powerful?

    About this specific issue, I agree that feels somewhat "seeing before" and predictable and at least want a good twist before the end.
    Yea it really is a bit of a plothole there. I mean, if your plan is to create cyborg clones of Laura without her healing factor, why not just make cyborg clones of anyone at that point? At that point, it's shouldn't even matter who they're cloned from since they're cyborgs that are designed to only last so long. I mean, if they had some kind of healing factor like Lady Deathstrike or an augmented version of Laura's I could see a reason, but as it stands, it's just a massive question.

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    This book started out strong, but I’m really bored with it now. Shame.

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    Having read the issue....its really paint by numbers. Dialogue and art are great, with a couple good moments...but im left wonder what was the point of it all?
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