MCU Captain Marvel vs DCEU Wonder Woman

[The Arbiter]

The apartment and ship would be legit, but I'm calling serious shenanigans on the tectonic plate, especially as we diddn't see it happen. Still, if we're using calcs Carol's missile feats eclipse those by a huge margin.

The smiley face is me acknowledging its not Rumbles worthy yeah.

Yeah, Carol's feat is pretty bonkers. No disagreements here!

[Tomzilla]

There's also a newspaper cliping in BvS that says Clark shifted a tectonic plate to stop an earthquake. :P

Haha. I was waiting for someone to bring this up.


As much as I'm enjoying this debate, I can't help but think it'll be redundant a month from now. I know it's all in good fun and I'll continue reading (good arguments are being made on both sides); however, I'd consider revisiting this discussion after Endgame drops. Just my two cents. By all means, carry on.

[Powerboy]

Ok. Things.

Superman's "serious headbutt" might not have truly KO'd her, but it certainly incapacitated her to the point where she couldn't rise up and fight back for several long minutes.

Her cutting Doomsdays arm off is not a strength feat so much as a sword feat. Sure, you or I couldn't swing hard enough to replicate it, but it was certainly more blade than muscle that did the trick.

Her blocking DD's punch is a bit of an outlier honestly. He wrestled out of her lasso pretty easily despite kryptonite exposure for example. Superman dragged her around in lasso tug o war. She was incapable of breaking Clark's grip as well despite Aquaman and Cyborg also struggling. She's flat out weaker than Kryptonian level threats. Even the punch she took from DD was blocked with her shield iirc and not her straight durability. My guess is Doomsday felt the damage from her blade and instinctively withheld force or something. Either way it's an outlier.

Her blowing up Ares is not an indication of her own power. She clearly was redirecting his own energies back at him. You could argue she can do this to Carol I suppose.

HOWEVER! Carol's stuff is a bit overblown as well.

The missile she catches is clearly NOT the size of an aircraft carrier. It's still much larger than a modern missile though.

Also, we need to drop the "Carol can dodge lasers!!" argument like it's hot. It's not light speed weaponry. Also she is just darting in between gunfire. By those standards, Star Lord and Han Solo etc etc are all laser dodgers with bullet timing + reflexes because they do the EXACT same sort of maneuvers Carol was doing, but in giant bulky space fighters.

I'm not arguing that what Marvel did there was equivalent to some sort of light speed reflexes. I'm arguing that it's akin to bullet timing *when she is in flight and using the flight as a means of propulsion*.

Okay, you can say Han Solo does it too and he's clearly not a bullet timer or even an aim dodger. But then you get into this tricky area of people who shouldn't be able to do something still do it so everyone's feats of doing it are disqualified.

[Captain Morgan]

Ok. Things.

Superman's "serious headbutt" might not have truly KO'd her, but it certainly incapacitated her to the point where she couldn't rise up and fight back for several long minutes.

Her cutting Doomsdays arm off is not a strength feat so much as a sword feat. Sure, you or I couldn't swing hard enough to replicate it, but it was certainly more blade than muscle that did the trick.

Her blocking DD's punch is a bit of an outlier honestly. He wrestled out of her lasso pretty easily despite kryptonite exposure for example. Superman dragged her around in lasso tug o war. She was incapable of breaking Clark's grip as well despite Aquaman and Cyborg also struggling. She's flat out weaker than Kryptonian level threats. Even the punch she took from DD was blocked with her shield iirc and not her straight durability. My guess is Doomsday felt the damage from her blade and instinctively withheld force or something. Either way it's an outlier.

Her blowing up Ares is not an indication of her own power. She clearly was redirecting his own energies back at him. You could argue she can do this to Carol I suppose.

HOWEVER! Carol's stuff is a bit overblown as well.

The missile she catches is clearly NOT the size of an aircraft carrier. It's still much larger than a modern missile though.

Also, we need to drop the "Carol can dodge lasers!!" argument like it's hot. It's not light speed weaponry. Also she is just darting in between gunfire. By those standards, Star Lord and Han Solo etc etc are all laser dodgers with bullet timing + reflexes because they do the EXACT same sort of maneuvers Carol was doing, but in giant bulky space fighters.

All of this, yes.

[The Arbiter]

Haha. I was waiting for someone to bring this up.


As much as I'm enjoying this debate, I can't help but think it'll be redundant a month from now. I know it's all in good fun and I'll continue reading (good arguments are being made on both sides); however, I'd consider revisiting this discussion after Endgame drops. Just my two cents. By all means, carry on.

Cursed budget! Off screen malarkey!! :P

Yeeeaaah probably a whole lot is going to change after Endgame. Still fun! ^_^

[Powerboy]

Haha. I was waiting for someone to bring this up.


As much as I'm enjoying this debate, I can't help but think it'll be redundant a month from now. I know it's all in good fun and I'll continue reading (good arguments are being made on both sides); however, I'd consider revisiting this discussion after Endgame drops. Just my two cents. By all means, carry on.

Yeah, I also think that most of our arguments may be invalidated six weeks from now when Endgame debuts.

[The Arbiter]

Actually, Twickster, what is your source for 200 ton ICBM weight estimates? Largest real world I can find is just shy of 10 tons.

Edit: So I tripled that for 30 tons (it's bigger than an ICBM so sure) and put it at 7 km/s instead of 6.5. Seems like it's suddenly on par with the ship/apartment feats. Happy to be proven wrong though! 200 ton ICBM's might be real, just my quick Google stuff couldn't find anything like that.

[Twickster]

Actually, Twickster, what is your source for 200 ton ICBM weight estimates? Largest real world I can find is just shy of 10 tons.

Edit: So I tripled that for 30 tons (it's bigger than an ICBM so sure) and put it at 7 km/s instead of 6.5. Seems like it's suddenly on par with the ship/apartment feats. Happy to be proven wrong though! 200 ton ICBM's might be real, just my quick Google stuff couldn't find anything like that.

Getting from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-25C_Titan_II

Weight is listed as 340,000 lb or 170 tons (I put in 200 tons amounting for some inflation for mass of a larger object). You might be conflating with one of the stages or the active warhead, which would be much lighter. Still, the size of the missile caught compares to the "full" rocket, including all stages.

NOTE: I have yet to verify if this is the largest ICBM ever, but fur purposes its certainly large enough to compare.

Further edit: A list of ICBMs and their size can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ICBMs

Based on this, the largest ICBMs ever, the R-7 Semyorka, weighed in excess of 300 tons (280,000 kg). A photo comparison of the largest ICBM compared to human size:

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Just got out of the movie theater. Y'all are overselling the missile feat. It's good, but it certainly doesn't put her well beyond anyone else.

The ship she blew up was similarly, the same kinda ship Rocket Raccoon fucked up, in GotG.

[Twickster]

Just got out of the movie theater. Y'all are overselling the missile feat. It's good, but it certainly doesn't put her well beyond anyone else.

The ship she blew up was similarly, the same kinda ship Rocket Raccoon fucked up, in GotG.

Okay, what feats from everyone else can you identify that would be higher than it?

[The Arbiter]

That pic seems about right for size. So 300 tons.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Okay, what feats from everyone else can you identify that would be higher than it?

Holding that open. Not the "tanking the star", but opening it, and holding it open.

[HATEISFOREVER]

Yeah, no. At this point, Hulk has been getting nerfed for years as his biggest strength feat was way back in Avengers, which is less than this feat no matter how you slice it. Currently, Hulk is much weaker than Thor, Thanos and Danvers, based on feats, and would need a serious feat in Endgame to catch up.

Wait a second,her throwing a missle back is superior than Thor manhandling Hulk? Even in the first Avengers film he was K'oing space whales with one punch. Don't see how a missle became superior to Hulk?

[Powerboy]

Wait a second,her throwing a missle back is superior than Thor manhandling Hulk? Even in the first Avengers film he was K'oing space whales with one punch. Don't see how a missle became superior to Hulk?

Was that in "Thor: Ragnarok?" I know Thor took out the Hulk with his new lightning powers. I don't remember. Did he physically manhandle the Hulk? Since, right now, we're seemingly talking about physical strength.

[Twickster]

Holding that open. Not the "tanking the star", but opening it, and holding it open.

Believe me, nothing would please me more than considering that as legit, but there is neither an actual weight or point of reference for that feat, hence there is no way to know how much force Thor exerted. I would say the "restarting the rings of Nidavellir" greater, but then I believe that was ruled as SMvsFL together with the star feat for the time being. As it is, both DCEU Superman's and especially Carol's are way higher.