House of X / Powers of X reveal

[Glio]

It wasn't. The entire plot came down to the fact that the Avengers and Wolverine were wrong to try and prevent the Phoenix from getting to Hope even if they tried to dress it up like they were the only reason she was able to control it (see: she wasn't. She definitely didn't need that BS Iron Fist training), the Phoenix was never trying to destroy the Earth. And then look at what happened the next time the Phoenix came around: the Avengers literally did not care, probably because they were proven incorrect.

Hope needed the Iron Fist and Wanda training ... because she was separated from her Lights.

Hope needed the help of the Avengers to control the Phoenix for a situation created by the Avengers. If she had stayed with her Lights she could have controlled the Phoenix at first, it is because of forcing her to go alone to the Moon that she could not.

[PsychoEFrost]

He made more mistakes, the problem is that he became the cool edge rebel and nobody can't ever say he wasn't right. There is a lot more nuance on it

Like what? The X-Office keeps saying he did awful stuff... and then never tell what it was. He was Hitler for during IvX for... what exactly?

[Maestroneto]

The only mistake he made was putting Laura on the assassination squad. I don't think he deserved to be called Hitler for that.

the whole X-Force thing was a mistake. Seriously, why was Rahne there? What was her history with cold blooded murder?

Of course, neither Scott or Logan ever suffered consequences for that whole shindig. Storm said she’d never talk to Logan again and two years later they’re sharing a bed.

[PsychoEFrost]

the whole X-Force thing was a mistake. Seriously, why was Rahne there?

Yeah, the roster was questionable. The idea was sound at that time. The worst of the worst like the Purifiers and the Reavers needed to be killed before they picked off more students.

[spirit2011]

Like what? The X-Office keeps saying he did awful stuff... and then never tell what it was. He was Hitler for during IvX for... what exactly?

they backtracked the Hittler stuff. it was fake news

[Omega Alpha]

Rahne was there because in Messiah Complex the X-force is really assembled with all the trackers, then the team stayed the same, basically because Kyle & Yost wanted to.

[Maestroneto]

Rahne was there because in Messiah Complex the X-force is really assembled with all the trackers, then the team stayed the same, basically because Kyle & Yost wanted to.

They were assembled because they were trackers, yes, but their goal was to kill Cable.

[Havok83]

They were assembled because they were trackers, yes, but their goal was to kill Cable.

it wasnt to kill Cable. Their primary objective was to locate Hope, whom happened to be with Cable

Rahne was only active in the first arc of X-Force from what I recall and spent the rest of the series on the sidelines. She didnt need to be there past that initial arc as he doesnt do anything besides get pregnant

[Maestroneto]

it wasnt to kill Cable. Their primary objective was to locate Hope, whom happened to be with Cable

Rahne was only active in the first arc of X-Force from what I recall and spent the rest of the series on the sidelines. She didnt need to be there past that initial arc as he doesnt do anything besides get pregnant

[Glio]

They were assembled because they were trackers, yes, but their goal was to kill Cable.

X-Force had to recover Hope from Cable at any cost. This implies that they could kill Cable if they considered that it was necessary but it was not the objective of the mission.

[Maestroneto]

X-Force had to recover Hope from Cable at any cost. This implies that they could kill Cable if they considered that it was necessary but it was not the objective of the mission.

Everyone knew Cable wasn't going to give that baby up.

[Havok83]

X-Force had to recover Hope from Cable at any cost. This implies that they could kill Cable if they considered that it was necessary but it was not the objective of the mission.

Exactly. The main focus was always Hope, not assasinate Cable

Everyone knew Cable wasn't going to give that baby up.

Killing him wasnt the only way to seperate them

[Glio]

Anyway it's still pretty hardcore/messy to give your team permission to use deadly force against your son, that can not be excused. The problem is that Cable refused to communicate because he knew that the X-Men were infiltrated but Scott had no way of knowing that Bishop was nuts.

[Captain Buttocks]

it wasnt to kill Cable. Their primary objective was to locate Hope, whom happened to be with Cable

Rahne was only active in the first arc of X-Force from what I recall and spent the rest of the series on the sidelines. She didnt need to be there past that initial arc as he doesnt do anything besides get pregnant

Yep. She got injected with heroin and then ate Reverend Craig because that's Way Cool.

She got yanked out of another book where she had an actual plotline and purpose for those very important developments. (Seriously - what was with Marvel and cannibalism around that time? Remember Ultimatum?) In fairness, one of the primary reasons crossovers exist is to annoy the Hell out of Peter David, so there is a bit of fun to be had there....

[PrezValentine]

Anyway it's still pretty hardcore/messy to give your team permission to use deadly force against your son, that can not be excused. The problem is that Cable refused to communicate because he knew that the X-Men were infiltrated but Scott had no way of knowing that Bishop was nuts.

At the time Scott assumed Cable had unleashed sentinels on them and infected two regular humans with the nano version and only someone completely unhinged would do that kind of stuff. Particularly considering kids were almost killed during Bishop's little stunt, since he needed that sweet infant pentakill. Using lethal force was better than risking seeing what a sociopath who'd do stuff like that would try next. Scott's reasoning was certainly not moral, but it was either MAYBE killing Cable or letting him use Hope for more fucked up stuff, as assumed at that given moment.