Zack Snyder on his critics: "You're living in an f-ing dreamworld!"

[GreatKungLao]

"Muh Supaman neva kilz, muh Supaman always finds another way"

The moment Zod's death fails

Wanting to save lives does not equal having a no kill policy which MOS never set up which is a problem with all the Superman portrayals Snyder did

BvS Superman is a vigilante so much so senate hearings are being held do to his illegal actions and he has killed namely Zod. But he is angry Batman is a vigilante who kills I mean WTF Supes?

There is a HUGE difference between killing Zod because it was necesarry at the moment and Batman killing criminals because they stand in a way and he is too angry to care anymore, because 25 years in Gotham broke his faith in goodness. On Vero Zack Snyder said his favorite Batman shot was when he walks out from the light reformed after witnessing Superman's sacrifice for humanity, which is why he later says that "Men are still good", he believes in that again thanks to Superman.





For Batman BvS was a redempion arc. Zack Snyder did not intended for people to feel ok with him killing left and right. It was meant to feel wrong so that his redemption arc would make sense and Superman's influence on people who lost their way was shown directly.

Anyway, I find it weird people defending criminals against superheroes. Some of them are monsters without any redeemable qualities, but people are ok with them being imprisoned and resources being wasted on them like food, water, electricity, air. It would be ok to kill someone like The Joker. It is not ok only because he brings in money and DC has to keep him alive for that so they came up with this ridiculous "code of honor" for Batman.

[Superbat]

If the movies were good people would have accepted the killings.

People accepted Batman killing in the Burton movies and letting Ra's al Ghul die in Begins. People accepted Superman killing Zod's crew in Superman II. Some complained but the movies were still beloved.

The MOS neck snapping and BvS homicidal Batman controversies are proof that those movie were steaming piles of feces.

[Jokerz79]

"Muh Supaman neva kilz, muh Supaman always finds another way"




There is a HUGE difference between killing Zod because it was necesarry at the moment and Batman killing criminals because they stand in a way and he is too angry to care anymore, because 25 years in Gotham broke his faith in goodness. On Vero Zack Snyder said his favorite Batman shot was when he walks out from the light reformed after witnessing Superman's sacrifice for humanity, which is why he later says that "Men are still good", he believes in that again thanks to Superman.





For Batman BvS was a redempion arc. Zack Snyder did not intended for people to feel ok with him killing left and right. It was meant to feel wrong so that his redemption arc would make sense and Superman's influence on people who lost their way was shown directly.

Anyway, I find it weird people defending criminals against superheroes. Some of them are monsters without any redeemable qualities, but people are ok with them being imprisoned and resources being wasted on them like food, water, electricity, air. It would be ok to kill someone like The Joker. It is not ok only because he brings in money and DC has to keep him alive for that so they came up with this ridiculous "code of honor" for Batman.

I want to start off by saying thank you for posting a comic panel that totally validates my issue with Zod's death in MoS not killing Zod but his "grieve" over doing so comic Superman has a strict no kill policy so when he did kill it haunted him from that day forward. MoS never established Clark had an issue with killing wanting to help and saving lives again doesn't equate to a no kill policy.

Zod's death wasn't the only example I gave to calling Snyder's Superman a hypocrite it was the nail in the coffin. At the end of MOS Superman destroyed a U.S. surveillance drone and said going forward would be on his terms and in the next film his "Redemption" starts with him violating international borders to save Lois. Captain Hypocrite's "Redemption" was pointing to Murder Man and saying I suck but not as bad as him.

Now let's get to Murder Man he spends a whole film building a case to kill Captain Hypocrite ignoring Alfred's advice probably because it was based in logic. During his beat down Murder Man tells Captain Hypocrite "I know your parents probably told you you're here for a reason" so he has deduced Captain Hypocrite was raised on Earth by humans and doesn't care until about that until a minutes later when he learns Captain Hypocrite's mommy has the same name as his dead mommy now they're besties is just so dumb but Murder Man isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer given he kills goons but not his Rogues. As for Captain Hypocrite's death inspiring Murder Man fine but the world mourning in Justice League is stupid given how unpopular Captain Hypocrite was Snyder tries to sell Captain Hypocrite as a beacon of hope and he isn't the beacon of hope as portrayed in the DCEU film by the time of Justice League was Wonder Woman not Captain Hypocrite.

Full credit to RLM for calling them Murder Man and Captain Hypocrite in their review.

[JAK]

"Muh Supaman neva kilz, muh Supaman always finds another way"

Ah, the trusty straw-man: always key to a winning rebuttal.

Two differences: one, that was wiped from continuity for being the mistake it was. But, two: even before it was wiped, it involved a storyline of him "coming to terms with it" lasted for nearly a year's worth of stories across several books - all full of nuance and character growth, with "Exile" seen as one of the best Post-Crisis stories and setting up a number of future stories. They knew that IF Superman was going to do that, it had better mean something and have repercussions.

MoS Clark had a scream and a cry, and then was fine to joke in the very next scene - never to be addressed or talked about in any significant way again (at least by him). No fallout, no lesson, no character growth - nothing.

There is a HUGE difference between killing Zod because it was necesarry at the moment and Batman killing criminals because they stand in a way and he is too angry to care anymore, because 25 years in Gotham broke his faith in goodness. On Vero Zack Snyder said his favorite Batman shot was when he walks out from the light reformed after witnessing Superman's sacrifice for humanity, which is why he later says that "Men are still good", he believes in that again thanks to Superman.

For Batman BvS was a redempion arc. Zack Snyder did not intended for people to feel ok with him killing left and right. It was meant to feel wrong so that his redemption arc would make sense and Superman's influence on people who lost their way was shown directly.

Anyway, I find it weird people defending criminals against superheroes. Some of them are monsters without any redeemable qualities, but people are ok with them being imprisoned and resources being wasted on them like food, water, electricity, air. It would be ok to kill someone like The Joker. It is not ok only because he brings in money and DC has to keep him alive for that so they came up with this ridiculous "code of honor" for Batman.

Speaking of all that, Batman'd been straight-up murdering people left and right because he just didn't care anymore - but it's ok now because he says he's better and promises not to do it anymore (after that first time just after his redemption where he did, we're just not going to count that, that gets a do-over), and we should all be fine with that. lol I mean, if we're really going for realism, what about repercussions for Batman? Is this where Snyder does his story about Batman going to prison and all about what he said would happen to Bruce in prison if he made a Batman movie?

I kid with all that, but even Snyder's movies require a hearty suspension of disbelief. There's a point where realism for it's own sake just sucks all the enjoyment out of a cinematic experience.

[GreatKungLao]

Zod's death wasn't the only example I gave to calling Snyder's Superman a hypocrite it was the nail in the coffin. At the end of MOS Superman destroyed a U.S. surveillance drone and said going forward would be on his terms and in the next film his "Redemption" starts with him violating international borders to save Lois.

But what was he suppose to do? Just let her die? And that girl in Mexico he saved from fire? Also have you caught a point that movie made during news montage that with Superman's arrival "we have to start thinking beyond politics. It's a paradigm shift".

[qwertyuiop1998]

"Muh Supaman neva kilz, muh Supaman always finds another way"




There is a HUGE difference between killing Zod because it was necesarry at the moment and Batman killing criminals because they stand in a way and he is too angry to care anymore, because 25 years in Gotham broke his faith in goodness. On Vero Zack Snyder said his favorite Batman shot was when he walks out from the light reformed after witnessing Superman's sacrifice for humanity, which is why he later says that "Men are still good", he believes in that again thanks to Superman.





For Batman BvS was a redempion arc. Zack Snyder did not intended for people to feel ok with him killing left and right. It was meant to feel wrong so that his redemption arc would make sense and Superman's influence on people who lost their way was shown directly.

Anyway, I find it weird people defending criminals against superheroes. Some of them are monsters without any redeemable qualities, but people are ok with them being imprisoned and resources being wasted on them like food, water, electricity, air. It would be ok to kill someone like The Joker. It is not ok only because he brings in money and DC has to keep him alive for that so they came up with this ridiculous "code of honor" for Batman.

First,This incident been wiped out from continuity since infinite crisis IIRC.
Second,he killed zod.But later we got a huge issues seeing superman's regret,introspection,remourse,and set up a statue to warning he,vowed never take another live ever again.And supes did it,he didn't killed black in ending battle.later in lost hearts storyline even talking about this problem.
Later even created russian zod to pulishing him for he damaging to his morality(though this idea been abandoned,this is why I personally think russian zod was one of the most wasted potential vilains)
And back to movie.How much time we see portraying supes thought about killing zod?

[qwertyuiop1998]

"Muh Supaman neva kilz, muh Supaman always finds another way"




There is a HUGE difference between killing Zod because it was necesarry at the moment and Batman killing criminals because they stand in a way and he is too angry to care anymore, because 25 years in Gotham broke his faith in goodness. On Vero Zack Snyder said his favorite Batman shot was when he walks out from the light reformed after witnessing Superman's sacrifice for humanity, which is why he later says that "Men are still good", he believes in that again thanks to Superman.





For Batman BvS was a redempion arc. Zack Snyder did not intended for people to feel ok with him killing left and right. It was meant to feel wrong so that his redemption arc would make sense and Superman's influence on people who lost their way was shown directly.

Anyway, I find it weird people defending criminals against superheroes. Some of them are monsters without any redeemable qualities, but people are ok with them being imprisoned and resources being wasted on them like food, water, electricity, air. It would be ok to kill someone like The Joker. It is not ok only because he brings in money and DC has to keep him alive for that so they came up with this ridiculous "code of honor" for Batman.

The real problem about superman kills zod in movie I personally thought is:The never give it much time to portraying this incident affect to supes.

[Superbat]

But what was he suppose to do? Just let her die? And that girl in Mexico he saved from fire? Also have you caught a point that movie made during news montage that with Superman's arrival "we have to start thinking beyond politics. It's a paradigm shift".

He let the people she was with die.

The difference between Snyder's Superman and other versions of the character is that sometimes those other versions of the character is that they are heroes that might have moments of selfishness but Snyder's Superman is a selfish dick who has moments of heroism.

That news report is more pretentiousness from the movie. Trying to sound smart without actually being smart.

[Agent Z]

He let the people she was with die.

The difference between Snyder's Superman and other versions of the character is that sometimes those other versions of the character is that they are heroes that might have moments of selfishness but Snyder's Superman is a selfish dick who has moments of heroism.

That news report is more pretentiousness from the movie. Trying to sound smart without actually being smart.

He didn't let them die. They were killed before he got there. Almost all of his screen time is spent helping people even before he meets Lois. Its the only reason she's even able to figure out his secret identity.

[Superbat]

He didn't let them die. They were killed before he got there. Almost all of his screen time is spent helping people even before he meets Lois. Its the only reason she's even able to figure out his secret identity.

He only went there because they were going to kill Lois. He flies right by the killers when he destroys the drone on route to Lois.

Lois telling Superman that he has to help people when he sees people in trouble is supposed to paint Superman in a heroic light but it all it proves is that he isn't defined by heroism. Clark never sought out to help people, he helped when trouble was happening around him.

[Agent Z]

He only went there because they were going to kill Lois. He flies right by the killers when he destroys the drone on route to Lois.

Lois telling Superman that he has to help people when he sees people in trouble is supposed to paint Superman in a heroic light but it all it proves is that he isn't defined by heroism. Clark never sought out to help people, he helped when trouble was happening around him.

Watch that scene again. He arrives after mercenaries have killed people and have fled the scene.

A distinction without a difference and either way it doesn't make him selfish.

[Agent Z]

Also, no the incedent with Zod wasn't erased in the comics. I recall Power Girl bringing it up at one point.

[Jokerz79]

But what was he suppose to do? Just let her die? And that girl in Mexico he saved from fire? Also have you caught a point that movie made during news montage that with Superman's arrival "we have to start thinking beyond politics. It's a paradigm shift".

You don't write a movie where he actively crosses sovereign borders and doles out vigilante justice if you want said character to take a stance against vigilante justice and for him not to look like an Hypocrite.

[Superbat]

Watch that scene again. He arrives after mercenaries have killed people and have fled the scene. A distinction without a difference and either way it doesn't make him selfish.

He arrives when he does because that's when the drone was about to hit. The killers are right across from where Superman destroys the drone and if Superman cared about stopping them he could have easily caught up to them after saving Lois.

He was only there to save Lois, just like when he disappeared after leaving the courthouse and only appeared again when Lex pushed Lois off the top of a building.

[Superbat]

Also, no the incedent with Zod wasn't erased in the comics. I recall Power Girl bringing it up at one point.

It was erased after Infinite Crisis along with Matrix Supergirl.