Fantastic Four #8 (SPOILERS)

[Prof. Warren]

You seem to be ignoring that fact that Kevin Feige met with Noah Hawley and specifically asked if he was still working on the Doom script.....this year. Not two or three years ago. It could mean something maybe nothing. But it's a sign that there is interest on the Disney side now. It could even be a project for their streaming services.

At some point, maybe. But not before the FF gets a theatrical relaunch.

And especially not with the amount of material that they already have lined up for the streaming service.

[Iron Maiden]

At some point, maybe. But not before the FF gets a theatrical relaunch.

And especially not with the amount of material that they already have lined up for the streaming service.

The FF wouldn't need to have a relaunch for Doom to appear. He could even be teased in those credits scenes in a completely different movie. Lately he's been appearing just as much in Iron Man comics as Fantastic Four.

[Michael Watkins]

Stark hasn't mentioned him once. that was a bendis thing. and bendis is, thankfully, gone.

[Iron Maiden]

As for the Doom standalone -- I don't believe that should serve as a prelude to the Fantastic Four, but he can definitely carry a film by himself. In the end though... he's a villain, and it's a hard sell to a movie audience to champion the villain.

And how many movies did Hannibal Lector have? TV shows, too. And he has fewer redeeming traits than Doom IMO And I still think when Waid wrote Unthinkable, he was influenced by the killer on the loose in Silence of the Lambs.

[Iron Maiden]

Stark hasn't mentioned him once. that was a bendis thing. and bendis is, thankfully, gone.

Bendis was exhibiting his fandom of the Iron Man / Doom time team ups in various time travel stories by Michelinie & Layton.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

A real shame we most likely won't get RDJ facing against Doom. But hey we have Cumberbatch.

[Michael Watkins]

Bendis was exhibiting his fandom of the Iron Man / Doom time team ups in various time travel stories by Michelinie & Layton.

yet there were no callbacks to that time. it's almost as if Bendis simply wanted to mimic what Slott had done with Superior Spider-man but was limited to armored heroes.

[Iron Maiden]

A real shame we most likely won't get RDJ facing against Doom. But hey we have Cumberbatch.

I'd like to see that. I hope they can somehow get a scene showing....The Illuminati in the MCU. I would like to see that developed. It would be a good way to introduce Reed.

[Iron Maiden]

yet there were no callbacks to that time. it's almost as if Bendis simply wanted to mimic what Slott had done with Superior Spider-man but was limited to armored heroes.

Yeah, there was......

[Prof. Warren]

The FF wouldn't need to have a relaunch for Doom to appear. He could even be teased in those credits scenes in a completely different movie. Lately he's been appearing just as much in Iron Man comics as Fantastic Four.

Doom is going to be introduced through the FF.

Even then, it might take a while. They might want to save him for a sequel, seeing as he's been the main villain in all three unsatisfying Fox FF films.

[Iron Maiden]

Doom is going to be introduced through the FF.

Even then, it might take a while. They might want to save him for a sequel, seeing as he's been the main villain in all three unsatisfying Fox FF films.

I wouldn't bet the rent on it

[Crimz]

Seeing as the topic has changed... I think it's smart to introduce each of the the FF in other films via either a small cameo or supporting role.
It will help audiences get to know them before their own feature film.

Reed can be introduced in most MCU films

Ben makes sense having a cameo/guest starring in Captain Marvel considering they have similar backgrounds

Johnny should definitely be in a Spider-Man film

Sue depends on what direction they want for her. If she is going to be a doctor or something then maybe in Dr Strange or Black Widow.

[jackolover]

Magneto being a holocaust survivor turned Nazi Hunter and meeting Xavier in the late '50s was always a part of the backstory of the characters in the comics. That was always there. So the characters were definitely rooted in history always. The Cuban Missile Crisis thing is a new wrinkle but in terms of timeline it's not far.

Dr. Doom because he's Latverian and so on has less real history to play with. Ed Brubaker's Books of Doom framed Latveria in a Cold War context (also a subtext in the orgin of Annual 2), where the Russians backed the Latverian government because of geopolitics and the Americans are implied to have paid and supported the guerrillas and so sponsor Victor's education in America, and Doom decides to use both sides against the other to overturn them. Now you have to play that drama and world-building in a Post-Cold War context which can be done. To me Latveria is like Gotham City, it's an entirely fictional landscape with ties to Europe's pre-20th Century past...a world of Gothic Castles, Bram Stoker refugees and so on. So you don't need to anchor it in real-world history as much as you need to do Magneto and Captain America.



And the Thing got married. Slott remember doesn't have too much experience with regular serial comics situations. He revived canceled titles like She-Hulk and Silver Surfer, and now Fantastic Four. His time at ASM came when he stepped in after this retcon that annulled the entire previous 7 year run and large chunks of the preceding 20 years and as such had to be created ex-nihilo. He's never stepped in the middle of a run with the proviso of carring over the earlier run and how to deal with that. So it might be that he's unused to relay race and baton passing as others are. He might have assumed that enough time that with Marvel A Fresh Start initiative, he can move Doom away from the way audiences had known him most recently and revert without explaining too much. Unfortunately Hickman has become this modern classic. So there are some difficulties adjusting.For all we know, the next few issues could address and fix these issues or give some acknowledgement of it.

The approach you give to Dan Slott’s method on the FF does ring true. I have been analysing the MU since Secret Wars, and none of it flows as a consistent narrative that is linked, so the approach Dan Slott takes in FF can be anything he feels like. The same goes for Aaron’s Avengers, the Events, like Standoff, CWII, SE, No Road Home, Monsters Inc, all of them are a jumbled mess, and don’t connect to each other, so why should the FF make any sense regarding Doom? I mean Galactus is free and harming in Doctor Strange right now, and locked in a mountain in FF. There is the current Aaron Avengers playing out, No Road Home and the soon to be War of Realms tumbling all over each other. I can’t follow it. I won’t.

[KC]

This issue was great. It felt like a classic FF issue. Slott writes the voices for the characters so well and it is clear he loves the FF and their history.

Doom messed up badly when he mentioned Sue's Kids.

[Iron Maiden]

This issue was great. It felt like a classic FF issue. Slott writes the voices for the characters so well and it is clear he loves the FF and their history.

Doom messed up badly when he mentioned Sue's Kids.

She probably doesn't realize that Doom was the father of his own Franklin and Valeria in Secret Wars