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The most Avengery Avengers to me are..
Captain America
Hank Pym as Goliath
The Wasp
Hawkeye
The Scarlet Witch
The Vision
Batman - Daredevil
When I think Avengers, I probably think of these people first:
Captain America (Steve)
Thor
Iron Man (Tony)
Wasp (Jan)
Giant-Man (Hank)
Hawkeye (Clint)
Vision
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Wonder Man
Black Panther
And no, the titles aren't interchangeable to me It's not because Marvel has another Hawkeye that she's automatically synonym with "Avengers" to me. Same with the others.
EDIT: Forgot Jarvis! How could I forget Jarvis??
Last edited by Mary Jay; 04-09-2019 at 12:19 PM.
"You don't raise yourself by stepping on somebody else"
Currently looking for a pull list... Does near-mint West Coast Avengers count?
#givebackthesuit
#stopstealinghisstuff
Steve Rogers
Thor Odinson
Tony Stark
Hank Pym
Janet van Dyne
Edwin Jarvis
Simon Williams
Clint Barton
Natasha Romanoff
Pietro Maximoff
Wanda Maximoff
Vision
Carol Danvers
T'Challa
Jennifer Walters
James Rhodes
Luke Cage
Angelica Jones
Vance Astrovic
Jessica Jones
Jessica Drew
Hercules
Bobbi Morse
Scott Lang
Jack Hart
Roberto Da Costa
You are my favorite thing, Peter. My very favorite thing.
I think West Coast Avengers tossed the notion of who is an Avenger and
who is not out the window.
Marvel pretty much wanted a second Avenger title on the stands and decided
to add characters into both books who they probably would not have if only one book existed.
From there is was easy for Spider-Man and Wolverine and others to join as more books got
placed on the monthly schedule and a need for a bigger roster.
West Coast Avengers still featured many classic Avengers characters on the roster like Iron Man, Hank Pym, Wasp, Hawkeye, Wonder Man, Quicksilver and Vision.
I think the post-Dissembled New Avengers is when the anyone can be a Avenger notion really kicked in. Avengers stopped being a superhero club with a charter and chair person. Avengers became a brand name in which any group of heroes could just band together and call themselves Avengers regardless of if they had a history with the other Avengers or not.
If you think Tony Stark is the only Avenger that counts and that the team isn't worth reading without him, then the one who is boisterously confused is you.
You can like Tony Stark all you want, and you can say that you only read Avengers with just Tony in it. That's fair. But that doesn't give you any ground to stand on to judge the other Avengers.
did you just put words in my mouth? how lame.
twice. that's bordering on libelous. it's Tony's team, tony's family home, and tony's money. they wouldn't have been able to form the team w/o him. that makes him the most avengery avenger.
You can make the claim that they wouldn't have been able to form the team without The Hulk. Taking responsibility for him was one of their core, uniting factors for the titles' first couple of years (it was THE core factor for the first half dozen issues). That doesn't make him The Most Avengery either.
And on other topics, the word "libelous" does not fit the context of the exchange you had. "Incorrect" perhaps, but not "libelous".
A lot of the Avengers could of funded the team since many of them are wealthy. Avengers mansion being one of Tony's former homes is also irrelevant. The Avengers have operated out of different bases before. Tony was just the first to offer up his house and money to back the group. Ant-Man and Wasp probably could of financed the group and used their own base as the groups headquarters.
It's actually neither. This is an opinion. Saying Tony Stark is "favorite Avenger" and most interesting Avenger is an opinion and a valid opinion (just as valid as anyone else saying someone else is their favorite Avengers).
Saying that Tony Stark is the Avengers a la Louis the 14th "I am the State" is fan insanity to the max especially when you have many great Avengers runs and great Avengers stories without Iron Man in it. And it's an absolute disservice and discredit to the ethos of the team, banding together to fight threats that no one person can.
Tony Stark is as essential to the Avengers as the other founders, no more and no less.
And in any case, Tony didn't exclusively fund the Avengers all the way across their history. The Avengers used to be a government run organization for a big chunk, and it was "your tax dollars at work".