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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    You can make the claim that they wouldn't have been able to form the team without The Hulk. Taking responsibility for him was one of their core, uniting factors for the titles' first couple of years (it was THE core factor for the first half dozen issues). That doesn't make him The Most Avengery either.
    there's not a more avengery avenger than Tony Stark. deal with it.
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    I thought I couldn't love Steve Rogers any more than I already do, but here he is, eating pizza with a fork, just like I do (the only correct way to eat pizza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    It's actually neither. This is an opinion. Saying Tony Stark is "favorite Avenger" and most interesting Avenger is an opinion and a valid opinion (just as valid as anyone else saying someone else is their favorite Avengers).
    but I didn't say any of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Saying that Tony Stark is the Avengers a la Louis the 14th "I am the State" is fan insanity to the max
    it's my answer to the thread topic. it's an opinion. what you've just stated would be classified as hyperbole. "fan insanity?" how pretentious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    especially when you have many great Avengers runs and great Avengers stories without Iron Man in it.
    opinion

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    And it's an absolute disservice and discredit to the ethos of the team, banding together to fight threats that no one person can.
    hyperbole

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Tony Stark is as essential to the Avengers as the other founders, no more and no less.
    disproven by history

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    And in any case, Tony didn't exclusively fund the Avengers all the way across their history. The Avengers used to be a government run organization for a big chunk, and it was "your tax dollars at work".
    and that in no way invalidates the opinion that Tony Stark is the most avengery avenger. his presence is what gives the team legitimacy. the team works best when he is a part of it. when there's a team w/o Iron Man, Stark could form a separate avengers group and no one would bat an eye. why? because he's the most avengery avenger.
    Quote Originally Posted by capandkirby View Post
    I thought I couldn't love Steve Rogers any more than I already do, but here he is, eating pizza with a fork, just like I do (the only correct way to eat pizza

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    Quote Originally Posted by chamber-music View Post
    A lot of the Avengers could of funded the team since many of them are wealthy.
    yes, others have the money. but Stark bankrolled them. so i'm not sure why you even brought this up.

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    Avengers mansion being one of Tony's former homes is also irrelevant.

    it's entirely relevant. it was where the team was created. it was synonymous with Avengers headquarters for a decade or two. it's where the statues of the founders resided. where did Disassembled occur; shake shack?

    Quote Originally Posted by chamber-music View Post
    The Avengers have operated out of different bases before.
    and none of them possess the nostalgia and legitimacy of the Stark funded locations.

    Quote Originally Posted by chamber-music View Post
    Tony was just the first to offer up his house and money to back the group. Ant-Man and Wasp probably could of financed the group and used their own base as the groups headquarters.
    they would have rejected Hank's offer. he's a loser.
    Quote Originally Posted by capandkirby View Post
    I thought I couldn't love Steve Rogers any more than I already do, but here he is, eating pizza with a fork, just like I do (the only correct way to eat pizza

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    Perhaps we'll see a volume of "The Avengery Iron Man" someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    Perhaps we'll see a volume of "The Avengery Iron Man" someday.
    no need. his name is synonymous with the team.
    Quote Originally Posted by capandkirby View Post
    I thought I couldn't love Steve Rogers any more than I already do, but here he is, eating pizza with a fork, just like I do (the only correct way to eat pizza

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    Quote Originally Posted by chamber-music View Post
    A lot of the Avengers could of funded the team since many of them are wealthy. Avengers mansion being one of Tony's former homes is also irrelevant. The Avengers have operated out of different bases before. Tony was just the first to offer up his house and money to back the group. Ant-Man and Wasp probably could of financed the group and used their own base as the groups headquarters.
    No. Just no. Janet is wealthy, but it would be the difference between Kim Kardashian and Bill Gates in terms of difference in level of wealth and more importantly, resources. The difference between being a Hollywood millionaire and a hundred billionaire with the resources of Microsoft behind him.

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    Captain America is the greatest Avenger. He is King Arthur, the once and future patriot, and the Avengers are his Round Table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchfan View Post
    Captain America is the greatest Avenger. He is King Arthur, the once and future patriot, and the Avengers are his Round Table.
    Tony Stark has actually met and fought at the side of King Arthur. There was also a What If? where Tony succeeded Arthur as king in a reality where Doom betrayed him and left him in that time period.

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    What point does it serve to argue with someone's subjective opinion? The very question this thread posits indicates "you" right there in the question, meaning that question is asking, specifically, for subjectivity. Everyone is entitled to give a subjective opinion without having their preferences argued against by someone with different preferences. Basic common courtesy 101.
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    Anyway, in my subjective opinion, Steve Rogers is the most Avenger to ever Avenger and no one is going to change my mind arguing with me about it because my opinions and preferences aren't up for debate.

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    I really need to start taking these threads more seriously.


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    Captain America
    Iron Man
    Thor
    Wasp
    She-Hulk
    Vision
    Scarlet Witch
    "There's magic in the sound of analog audio." - CNET.

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    To push it down to 7 members...

    Captain America
    Iron Man
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    Vision
    Hank Pym
    Wasp
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    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by davew128 View Post
    No. Just no. Janet is wealthy, but it would be the difference between Kim Kardashian and Bill Gates in terms of difference in level of wealth and more importantly, resources. The difference between being a Hollywood millionaire and a hundred billionaire with the resources of Microsoft behind him.
    Well the Kardashians are Billionaires aren't they? or some of them?

    Jan did finance the Unity team for a while. Plus she never went broke like Tony does every few years. Plus in the 60's they were Billionaires yet they were all millionaires Billions was unthinkable.

    The Avengers were supposed to be sustained by the Maria Stark Trust but that did not work. They were supposed to be be sustained by deal Stark made toys comics etc. That did not hold. Honestly without Pepper Tony would be a lot poorer.

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    Hmm a list of people who have formed The avengers

    Tony
    Jan
    Hank
    Steve
    Thor
    Clint
    Carol
    Luke
    She Hulk
    Falcon or Falcap

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