Interesting Observation I've Made About Femme Fatale Supervillainesses

[Agent Z]

So there's an in interesting trend I've noticed about femme fatale supervillainesses who transition into being heroes or antiheroes. Namely, that they become more "action" oriented instead of or in addition to being seductive and manipulative

Emma Frost went from a villainous, scantily-clad telepath to an antihroic, scantily-clad telepath who could turn her skin into diamond. I also recall an issue of Generation X had her taking up boxing.

Poison Ivy as a villain relied on poison kisses and pheromones. Ever since she's been written in a more sympathetic or borderline heroic light, she's been turned into a plant goddess of sorts.

Black Widow in her first appearances as a villain was mainly just a seduction agent who relied on incompetent minions to handle the violence. Ever since she became a hero, she's been written as a deadly action hero with combat skills and powers on par with Captain America.

The comic book version of Jade Nguyen aka Cheshire is your standard dragon lady femme fatale who relies on poisons and sex. Her Young Justice animated counterpart is depicted as a competent martial artist.

Catwoman as written by Tom King is one half of a battle couple with Batman and bested Talia al Ghul (a woman trained from birth as an assassin) in a sword fight.

Black Cat as a hero had cat based superhuman strength, speed and agility. Her 90 cartoon counterpart had a variant of the super soldier serum that turned Steve Rogers into Captain America.

[DrNewGod]

So there's an in interesting trend I've noticed about femme fatale supervillainesses who transition into being heroes or antiheroes. Namely, that they become more "action" oriented instead of or in addition to being seductive and manipulative

Emma Frost went from a villainous, scantily-clad telepath to an antihroic, scantily-clad telepath who could turn her skin into diamond. I also recall an issue of Generation X had her taking up boxing.

Poison Ivy as a villain relied on poison kisses and pheromones. Ever since she's been written in a more sympathetic or borderline heroic light, she's been turned into a plant goddess of sorts.

Black Widow in her first appearances as a villain as mainly just a seduction agent who relied on incompetent minions to handle the violence. Ever since she became a hero, she's been written as a deadly action hero with combat skills and powers on par with Captain America.

The comic book version of Jade Nguyen aka Cheshire is your standard dragon lady femme fatale who relies on poisons and sex. Her Young Justice animated counterpart is depicted as a competent martial artist.

Catwoman as written by Tom King is one half of a battle couple with Batman and bested Talia al Ghul (a woman trained from birth as an assassin) in a sword fight.

Black Cat as a hero had cat based superhuman strength, speed and agility. Her 90 cartoon counterpart had a variant of the super soldier serum that turned Steve Rogers into Captain America.

Some of your examples don't quite hold up.

Cheshire was created as an elite martial artist in NTT Annual #2. Wolfman and Perez had spent two years building up Starfire as a combat badass, and they had Cheshire pretty much handball her all over the battlefield in her first outing.

Catwoman was created as an athletically gifted catburgler and gymnast, and was a capable hand-to-hand combatant (specializing in a whip) from very early on.

Black Cat was an elite athlete, catburgler, and martial artist from the beginning (as befits a Catwoman knockoff), who also used carefully preplanned stunts to make it seem that she could inflict "bad luck" on anyone pursuing her. She was given "probability warping" abilities (ala Scarlett Witch), along with increased physical abilities by The Kingpin's labrats.

[Agent Z]

Some of your examples don't quite hold up.

Cheshire was created as an elite martial artist in NTT Annual #2. Wolfman and Perez had spent two years building up Starfire as a combat badass, and they had Cheshire pretty much handball her all over the battlefield in her first outing.

If I recall correctly, Cheshire has to poison Starfire to beat her.

Catwoman was created as an athletically gifted catburgler and gymnast, and was a capable hand-to-hand combatant (specializing in a whip) from very early on.

She was simply a thief earlier on. She didn't get the fighting skills and whip until after the Adam West show.

Black Cat was an elite athlete, catburgler, and martial artist from the beginning (as befits a Catwoman knockoff), who also used carefully preplanned stunts to make it seem that she could inflict "bad luck" on anyone pursuing her. She was given "probability warping" abilities (ala Scarlett Witch), along with increased physical abilities by The Kingpin's labrats.

She did have these skills yes but it was her “bad luck” stunts she was mostly known for before getting an upgrade. Remember, the reason she wanted super powers was because she felt she was a liability to Spider-Man who had super powers.

[DrNewGod]

If I recall correctly, Cheshire has to poison Starfire to beat her.

Nope. Cheshire poisoned Kid Flash when he intervened in the fight with Starfire before its resolution, and Cheshire then fled. Up to KF's involvement, she was using Starfire for a mop.

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[Catwoman] was simply a thief earlier on. She didn't get the fighting skills and whip until after the Adam West show.

Nope. While she was was simply a thief in her earliest appearances (still more skilled and athletic than a mere seductress), Catwoman was a dangerous combatant as early as 1947, nearly 20 years before the Adam West show.

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She did have these skills yes but it was her “bad luck” stunts she was mostly known for before getting an upgrade. Remember, the reason she wanted super powers was because she felt she was a liability to Spider-Man who had super powers.

Your point was the femme fatales were merely sex kittens who morphed into ninja-masters. That's not the case with Black Cat, nor Catwoman, nor Cheshire.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Black Widow in her first appearances as a villain as mainly just a seduction agent who relied on incompetent minions to handle the violence. Ever since she became a hero, she's been written as a deadly action hero with combat skills and powers on par with Captain America.

When last I checked, Natasha had the Russian version of the Infinity Formula in her veins that kept the original Nick Fury from aging, but no other powers other than above peak human level physical abilities.

[Agent Z]

When last I checked, Natasha had the Russian version of the Infinity Formula in her veins that kept the original Nick Fury from aging, but no other powers other than above peak human level physical abilities.

Her having the Infinity Formula was a retcon from what I recall.

[CaptCleghorn]

Her having the Infinity Formula was a retcon from what I recall.

Wasn't this all a result of the Claremont X-men story with her, Wolverine, and Cap in WW2?

[Agent Z]

Wasn't this all a result of the Claremont X-men story with her, Wolverine, and Cap in WW2?

Don't think I've read that story, so maybe yeah.

[CaptCleghorn]

Don't think I've read that story, so maybe yeah.

The point was that Natasha somehow was around active in the 1940s which would mean she'd need something to keep her young in the present day.