House of X & Powers of 10 discussion

[Silver Fang]

Hickman did more for Black Panther, Shuri, Sunspot and Shang-Chi than the X-Office did for all the non-white mutants in A DECADE, but let's cling to the idea that he'll be anti-diversity on the books based on promotional art. Sounds smart for me.

Well it's not really about Hickman, so much as the X-Office. Hickman did well with characters outside of the X-Office. But inside of it is questionable. Such as how much freedom does Hickman have. Many loved Morrison, but apparently he was bogged down so much by editorial changing stuff, he started turning in scripts at the last min. Apparently, he wanted to revive Jean, but the X-Office didn't & she remained dead for 14 years.

So some are just jaded regarding the X-Office, rather than Hickman. Other examples Emma Frost. Her fans have praised how great she is in Jessica Jones where she's still a clearly anti-hero. But some are dreading Uncanny for fear she's gonna be demoted to a one-note madwoman. I think some Storm fans have mentioned her role in BP being better than anything the X-Office dished out. Inverted Creed has gotten better treatment & respect in 4 issues of Iron Fist and 2 issues of Black Widow than he did from the X-Office since Mar. 2017.

[Triniking1234]

I'm more concerned about people complaining about Jean's bare thighs in a book where everyone runs around in skin tight fetish outfits.

Hickman did more for Black Panther, Shuri, Sunspot and Shang-Chi than the X-Office did for all the non-white mutants in A DECADE, but let's cling to the idea that he'll be anti-diversity on the books based on promotional art. Sounds smart for me.

Hickman was also on Secret Warriors but I guess the haters forgot about that too.

[Snoop Dogg]

I'm more concerned about people complaining about Jean's bare thighs in a book where everyone runs around in skin tight fetish outfits.

she's not even thicc, why is she here?

[AHRNIHAL]

So is Scott's new costume blue? I can't really tell (colorblind).

Yes.It's blue.

[PrezValentine]

Well it's not really about Hickman, so much as the X-Office. Hickman did well with characters outside of the X-Office. But inside of it is questionable. Such as how much freedom does Hickman have. Many loved Morrison, but apparently he was bogged down so much by editorial changing stuff, he started turning in scripts at the last min. Apparently, he wanted to revive Jean, but the X-Office didn't & she remained dead for 14 years.

So some are just jaded regarding the X-Office, rather than Hickman. Other examples Emma Frost. Her fans have praised how great she is in Jessica Jones where she's still a clearly anti-hero. But some are dreading Uncanny for fear she's gonna be demoted to a one-note madwoman. I think some Storm fans have mentioned her role in BP being better than anything the X-Office dished out. Inverted Creed has gotten better treatment & respect in 4 issues of Iron Fist and 2 issues of Black Widow than he did from the X-Office since Mar. 2017.

That would be fair, but even the X-Office wouldn't be dumb enough to chase Hickman away after nearly four years away from the mainstream. I doubt White would try to smother him with the same limitations other writers got, so a "wait-and-see" approach would be better.

I'm more concerned about people complaining about Jean's bare thighs in a book where everyone runs around in skin tight fetish outfits.

Can't have Saint Jean running around like that harlot Emma!

Hickman was also on Secret Warriors but I guess the haters forgot about that too.

Anything is forgettable if it doesn't fit this week's narrative.

[Silver Fang]

That would be fair, but even the X-Office wouldn't be dumb enough to chase Hickman away after nearly four years away from the mainstream. I doubt White would try to smother him with the same limitations other writers got, so a "wait-and-see" approach would be better.

I'm more jaded, so I never underestimate the stupidity of the X-Office. Hell JDW had to retcon one of his own comments the other day when he forget about Cyclops' death.

Plus, even if it sounds negative, the speculation is fun. lol We have no choice but to wait & see what we get. But until then, the speculation runs wild.

And it's not just here. On the Buffy-Boards, the same fire is coming through ith the new comics. People who hate the new directions for characters.
People who hate characters period.
People who fear writers won't treat characters well (namely Angel in favor of Pet Spike).

So it just seems typical for long-time, devotees. lol

[spirit2011]

I'm more jaded, so I never underestimate the stupidity of the X-Office. Hell JDW had to retcon one of his own comments the other day when he forget about Cyclops' death.

Plus, even if it sounds negative, the speculation is fun. lol We have no choice but to wait & see what we get. But until then, the speculation runs wild.

And it's not just here. On the Buffy-Boards, the same fire is coming through ith the new comics. People who hate the new directions for characters.
People who hate characters period.
People who fear writers won't treat characters well (namely Angel in favor of Pet Spike).

So it just seems typical for long-time, devotees. lol

I still don't know why Spike is a thing.

JDW retconing himself is hilarious, also explain a lot about continutiy between x-books

Hickman did more for Black Panther, Shuri, Sunspot and Shang-Chi than the X-Office did for all the non-white mutants in A DECADE, but let's cling to the idea that he'll be anti-diversity on the books based on promotional art. Sounds smart for me.

If people bothered to see what people was saying, they would know that the argument raised was that POC and women aren't developed.
someone even posted a graphic explaining ho wlittle charcaters were developed, and the one more developed were white

[The Kid]

If people bothered to see what people was saying, they would know that the argument raised was that POC and women aren't developed.
someone even posted a graphic explaining ho wlittle charcaters were developed, and the one more developed were white

Hickman doesn't really develop characters to begin with. He's all about plot and in that cases, he uses his PoC characters very well. And Iron Man and Cap ultimately being the most important characters in his Avengers run doesn't mean anything. They are arguably the two most central characters in that franchise in a way that no one really is in the X-books. Hell I'd argue they've become the two main characters of the entire Marvel Universe in the past 15 years. "One was life, one was death" and all that

Other characters still played great, consequential roles in his Avengers run including many characters of color

[Silver Fang]

I still don't know why Spike is a thing.

Many loved James Marsters. Spike was supposed to be a disposable villain but James made him popular, now we can't get rid of him...Buffy was supposed to kill him in season 2, but James was so beloved by then, they crippled & put him in the wheelchair for a while.

Plus many found James hot as well. So he's also a sex symbol. Though I am sure not getting that.

JDW retconing himself is hilarious, also explain a lot about continuity between x-books

It's quite troubling, imo. lol I LOVED his work with Duggan on Deadpool. But so far not feeling him on the X-books.

[spirit2011]

Many loved James Marsters. Spike was supposed to be a disposable villain but James made him popular, now we can't get rid of him...Buffy was supposed to kill him in season 2, but James was so beloved by then, they crippled & put him in the wheelchair for a while.

Plus many found James hot as well. So he's also a sex symbol. Though I am sure not getting that.

he was a bit above average, but i thought Angel was a lot hotter than Spike.

It's quite troubling, imo. lol I LOVED his work with Duggan on Deadpool. But so far not feeling him on the X-books.

He was doing well on star wars books. Now with Hickman i hope x-books will be in track.

[spirit2011]

Hickman doesn't really develop characters to begin with. He's all about plot and in that cases, he uses his PoC characters very well. And Iron Man and Cap ultimately being the most important characters in his Avengers run doesn't mean anything. They are arguably the two most central characters in that franchise in a way that no one really is in the X-books. Hell I'd argue they've become the two main characters of the entire Marvel Universe in the past 15 years. "One was life, one was death" and all that

Other characters still played great, consequential roles in his Avengers run including many characters of color

What x-men need is some character work. I think is easier for avengers books be plot oriented because many of its characters have solos.

[Anduinel]

What x-men need is some character work. I think is easier for avengers books be plot oriented because many of its characters have solos.

It doesn't help that Disassembled tends to be what we get when X-Men events are more plot-oriented: lots of costumes spouting almost interchangeable dialogue while we chug along from point to point.

[Beetle]

Hickman did more for Black Panther, Shuri, Sunspot and Shang-Chi than the X-Office did for all the non-white mutants in A DECADE, but let's cling to the idea that he'll be anti-diversity on the books based on promotional art. Sounds smart for me.

What did Shuri do in his books other than die?

And Shang-Chi didn't really have much development either except that his martial arts training somehow let him talk to the universe. He was just kinda there as part of the bloated cast.

Hickman was also on Secret Warriors but I guess the haters forgot about that too.

What POCs were in Secret Warriors? I'll give him Manifold, but Slingshot disappeared for a big chunk of the series. It was mostly white people in that series

[Maestroneto]

What did Shuri do in his books other than die?

And Shang-Chi didn't really have much development either except that his martial arts training somehow let him talk to the universe. He was just kinda there as part of the bloated cast.

And Sunspot was developed by Spencer and Ewing in spin-off books.

What POCs were in Secret Warriors? I'll give him Manifold, but Slingshot disappeared for a big chunk of the series. It was mostly white people in that series

Yeah, Bendis created the Secret Warriors and co-wrote the first arc of the series with Hickman, but once Bendis left, Hickman immediately pivoted to writing about Nick Fury, centuries-old secret organizations and graphs within graphs, while the Secret Warrios became side characters in their own book.

[Silver Fang]

he was a bit above average, but i thought Angel was a lot hotter than Spike.

You're better than me. I thought Spike was ugly. Except from a distance where he could be cute. lol Now James Marsters os ok-looking irl, as he seems like a funny cool guy.

But when his looks are put with Spike's character....eck. lol

He was doing well on star wars books. Now with Hickman i hope x-books will be in track.

One could hope, but White's beliefs are concerning. Especially with his statements that stable ships are boring. So may be more triangles, cheating, and toxic romances of the Deadpool x Shiklah caliber to come. He hates villain redemption stories & already had Creed reset to typical one-note villain status. He lost me there. lol Magneto has been reset to more villain than ally, and Emma may be heading in that direction.

So far, he hasn't said or done anything that's gotten me excited or hopeful. Rosenberg isn't helping either. lol