House of X & Powers of 10 discussion

[Tycon]

The real plot twist will be finding out Krakoa is in cahoots with X and there's no mind control going on.

I mean, we JUST had an AU with a mutant Utopia that turned out to involve mind control and dystopian BS. And yes, while Hickman is leagues ahead of Thompson and Nadler, I don't think we'd have a repeat of themes in such a short time. More than likely, X is being honest with the X-Men and they're on board because Krakoa is a cool idea.

I hope this. The “pod people”, “Sinister controlling everyone”, “Krakoa feeding on X-Men” theories are tiring me out. I’d prefer if there was some kind of twist that didn’t take away from the X-Men finally being over humanity’s ****. You could even tie their new attitudes to Age of X-Man if you wanted.

[ISnowNothin]

Agreed on the dream and retcons. His character’s abuses just seem to compound.

Trying to kill his sister in the womb.
Taking in students then pretending to be dead.
Creeping on Jean then inhibiting her for her own good.
Neglecting his own kid, David.
Basically stalking the Summers clan then mindwiping Cyclops and Havok’s brother Vulcan out of existence.
Starting the New Mutants after believing the X-men were killed in space.
Leaving the New Mutants with Magneto while he recovered in space.
Enslaving Danger Room.
Exploiting Krakoa.



Clearly he’s human. But his “by any means” actions sound more like Malcom X.

Also, according to Fantomex on the Astral Plane talking to Betsy, Xavier possibly/probably psychically compelled him to sacrifice his physical form to be reshaped into Xavier's. He wasn't upset about it, because he had immense guilt for his entire life of thievery, murder and various shenanigans, and figured Xavier would do more important, good things, but when Betsy floated that it wasn't really his own idea, he wasn't really sure that it was.

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Add maybe forcing Fantomex to give up his body to Xavier's list of messed up goings on.

I hope this. The “pod people”, “Sinister controlling everyone”, “Krakoa feeding on X-Men” theories are tiring me out. I’d prefer if there was some kind of twist that didn’t take away from the X-Men finally being over humanity’s ****. You could even tie their new attitudes to Age of X-Man if you wanted.

I agree completely. It would be tired, and wouldn't really change anything. And I've mentioned before, if the twist is that these aren't the real X-Men, are people suggesting it won't be revealed during HoX and PoX? Because Krakoa/these costumes aren't going away after the mini series end, and the only feasible options I can see, if the plant-dupe/pod people replacement theory was taken to its logical conclusion, is that either we don't learn the truth, we do learn the truth and then follow the adventures of plant-pod-X-Men, or the real X-Men come back, and then keep using Krakoa, and start dressing like their replacements?

Literally none of those makes any sense. I think readers just really want to figure out the twist, so we're jumping at anything and everything. Pod-people and "it's not really Xavier," would make what is supposed to be a world changing shakeup just a retread of a misdirect we've seen before. Seems highly unlikely to me.

[Tycon]

Agreed on the dream and retcons. His character’s abuses just seem to compound.

Trying to kill his sister in the womb.
Operating from the position that mutants should control/hide their gifts and learn to integrate as society’s subservient gifted children to ensure the status quo is maintained.
Taking in students then pretending to be dead.
Militarizing said students.
Creeping on Jean then inhibiting her for her own good.
Neglecting his own kid, David.
Basically stalking the Summers clan then mindwiping Cyclops and Havok’s brother Vulcan out of existence.
Starting the New Mutants after believing the X-men were killed in space.
Leaving the New Mutants with Magneto while he recovered in space.
Enslaving Danger Room.
Exploiting Krakoa.



Clearly he’s human. But his “by any means” actions sound more like Malcom X.

I get all of that except Krakoa. How is that a bad thing?

[Drexelhand]

Have to say, this made me reread, Deadly Genesis and Days of Future Present.

Days of Future Present is such a beautiful story.

[Frobisher]

Trying to kill Cassandra Nova in the womb is definitely not a bad thing. How many superheroes can say they tagged their first super villain before they were born?

[Tycon]

Oh, and I wouldn’t say the New Mutants/Magneto situation was a negative either.

[TheCape]

Plenty. Barring recent retcons to make him look like a unredeeming *******. Let's not forget that Xavier was meant to be MLK jr for mutants.

This is what bothers me about Xavier recent years, is true that from the 60s to 90s he was never a saint/Mother Teresa figure, but at the very least, he was someone that you could support and find likable in spite of his flaws. After the last eighteen years though, i had to wonder why the X-Men put up with his ****, or call themselves X-Men (beyond the branding of course).

[HomoSuperior]

I get all of that except Krakoa. How is that a bad thing?

If Krakoa is sentient, being exploited, and not aware / consenting that’s... troubling.
The first tip is in the infographic page. No Place is a tumor on Krakoa that Krakoa is unaware of.
Tumors are signs of systemic cancerous mutation that doesn’t end well for the host (Krakoa).
Are the X-pod people cancerous cells?

[Devaishwarya]

Gabrielle Haller never told Xavier he had a son...Not until David's powers manifested and were out of control and she needed his help.

[The Jeeper 2.0]

Boom.

I mean the dawn of x books confirm this, Krakoa is here to stay and X is here to stay with that big globe on his head.


Lowkey hoping Rasputin stays too.

Is he? Xavier hasnt been shown in any promo or story art after House of X and by the solicits, def looks like Scott is back in charge.

And yep, 2012 -2019 was def a lost decade for the X-Men. Horrible stories and treated like second class citizens.

[HomoSuperior]

Trying to kill Cassandra Nova in the womb is definitely not a bad thing. How many superheroes can say they tagged their first super villain before they were born?

Hah! Indeed. That scene with the umbilical cord tho!

[Triniking1234]

To be fair for the "leaving the X-Teams with Magneto", Charles thought he was dying and asked Erik to take over but Lilandra was like "nah, my man ain't dying today" and took him to the Empire.

[pandafarmer]

To be fair for the "leaving the X-Teams with Magneto", Charles thought he was dying and asked Erik to take over but Lilandra was like "nah, my man ain't dying today" and took him to the Empire.

#relationshipgoals

[Havok83]

Gabrielle Haller never told Xavier he had a son...Not until David's powers manifested and were out of control and she needed his help.

If Xavier hadnt taken sexual advantage of her when she was his patient, this wouldnt have even been an issue

[ISnowNothin]

Is he? Xavier hasnt been shown in any promo or story art after House of X and by the solicits, def looks like Scott is back in charge.

And yep, 2012 -2019 was def a lost decade for the X-Men. Horrible stories and treated like second class citizens.

Xavier is one of the 76 rotating cast members on the slide for the X-Men title's roster at the San Diego Comic-Con panel. Could be a misdirect, but I don't think he's going away, and Krakoa is all over the solicits and preview art, and confirmed as still being around when the new series launch.