The 80s and 90s were when the X-men were at their best, both in terms of storytelling, sales and popularity. Some people like to throw out the word nostalgia like it's a bad thing but I bet if you put up a team with the "old guard" getting back to basics against a team of the "newbies/students" moving forward(whatever that means) we all know which is more likely to succeed and which is more likely to fail. Some can wish till they're blue in the face that the veterans retire or are killed off but it's never gonna happen. It's the vets that drive sales and the storylines, it's the vets people are invested in and want to read about not some latecomer students. Yes the students have their fans but if you think they can keep the franchise afloat then good luck. Also the 80s and 90s were when we were getting standard superhero stories, mostly self contained story arcs that were both mutant and non-mutant related. Mutants were still hated and feared but the X-men were a superhero team on good terms with the Avengers and the FF and the storylines were character driven. As one story played out future storylines were seeded in as well. Now going back the last 10-15 years virtually every storyline is the same, possible mutant extinction, talk about retread. Judging by some solicitations for after HoX/PoX it seems that for the most part the status quo will remain the same. Maybe not full on extinction but not mutant dominance either as has been suggested. Guess Magneto's God declaration was premature. So no nostalgia is not a bad thing and wanting the good ole glory days back is fine particularly when that was when the X-men were at their best and on top. If mutants are the dominant species on the planet and ruling the world can the mutant/minority metaphor that resonates with so many readers really apply anymore? What happens if the X-men actually achieves the "dream" both in and out of the MU? Is it back to standard superhero stories, back to the dreaded nostalgia?
The 90s were dreadful for the X-Men.
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I like that a few of the men were able to ditch the yellow thong
Man, how'd they convince Nathan to wear that? lmao
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90s had a distinct flavor but yea, the X-Men in retrospect, were really commercial during that time. More focused on events rather than story.
The 2000s were exciting but also pretty damn dark. Definitely had its moments. I like that Hickman is drawing from all eras of the X-men's history to tell this story. The scope is huge and the stakes feel very high. I think that when the action comes, it will had been worth waiting for.
"Listen to me...you can't kill an idea. It always comes back. Resurrected. Or reborn...into a different form." - Cyclops, Secret Wars
I wouldn’t say surely. It’s possible. I think the obvious choice is that it’s House of Magneto. I lean that way only because there’s no evidence otherwise, and some for Magneto.
Well, Xavier certainly thought she was dead when it went down. And she is in some way undetectable as a mutant, so she could conceivably avoid discovery.
But she could also be right there with them at Krakoa. We don’t know at this point.
Oh, I don't mind drawing from the 90s in retrospect at all! There was a lot of fun and some cheese to be drawn from, some great characters and even some good stories as well as many OTT silly ones. And the X-Men were never bigger commercially. I know that a ton of fans come from that era. But as a kid who grew up with the books in both the late '80s and the 90s, I remember the quality plummet after adjectiveless 1-3 when CC left was shocking and immediately noticeable. Everything became gimmicks and events, you had Andy Kubert and every other talented artist being pushed to imitate Lee and Liefeld, etc. Eventually I couldn't read very often, it drove me to DC full time for awhile. I'd come for a story or writer I liked - AoA, Mark Waid (who I knew from The Flash), Ellis Excalibur, etc. - but I couldn't commit full time again til the 2000s. Which is not to say Claremont's return was brilliant; Revolution was bugfuck insane and often very silly but at least different (and X-Treme X-Men-onward for him is largely terrible). But Morrison got me back, as did Allred's X-Force/X-Statix, etc.
The post-Morrison 2000s were worse in a way for the books. The writing was usually better than the 90s of course, and there's some runs I love, but beyond that it was almost all regressive retreads of the 90s or nihilism like Decimation that went nowhere. And with it came the growing realization that Marvel had gone from valuing the X-Men above all else to the detriment of the rest of the company in the 1990s to slowly grinding them down into repetitive misery and devaluing due to rights concerns in the 2000s-onward. Until now.
I have a lot of love from stuff from all eras of X-history. I just have few illusions about what some of those eras consisted of, to me anyway.
And the reason nostalgia is a bad word is that this would probably be regardless of quality. I for one want new and inspiring content. Star Wars is the classic example. I will not be going to see the latest movie. I may be the only SW fan here that has no idea what the next one is even called. Not because of some internet rage fuelled pique, but because it’s not SW it’s just nostalgia for SW. Nostalgia is pastiche. Not actually worthy on its own terms.
Rhetorically you cheated right there. Liking characters is not nostalgia. ‘Getting the band back together’ is. I am not a Cyclops fan because I am nostalgic for the time he was a preppy scared kid. I am a Cyclops fan because he grew up and developed, becoming a tough, strategic leader who deep inside is fuelled by his fears and his past experiences. He has potential as a character still.Some can wish till they're blue in the face that the veterans retire or are killed off but it's never gonna happen. It's the vets that drive sales and the storylines, it's the vets people are invested in and want to read about not some latecomer students.
Nobody said they could. They can keep their own books alive though. They can even combine in new and interesting ways. Thereby helping to keep the franchise rich and new.Yes the students have their fans but if you think they can keep the franchise afloat then good luck.
You then go on to prove how nostalgic you are and almost nothing you say in that part is even true of the past.
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“And I urge you to please notice when you are happy, and exclaim or murmur or think at some point, 'If this isn't nice, I don't know what is.” ― Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
Oh I like this.
I wouldn't mind these making a comeback.
While I love the individuality of their current looks, this just screams team.
Perhaps these plus a personal touch a la Gambit's trenchcoat will be great.
Some already have them - Peter, Bobby, Jean, Scott, Hank, Cable...
Purple sash for Psylocke and Logan with his mask (I mean the color scheme matches).