House of X & Powers of 10 discussion

[numberthirty]

Thats not foreshadowing. Foreshadowing implies that this stuff was done with the intent for a reveal later and that was not the case. Everything Hickman has done has been massive retcons using bits and pieces of history

A retcon is "This was not a piece, but now it is."

Which is the exact opposite of Charles' mind being stuck into a cloned body eventually having something to do with how mutants would become essentially immortal.

[PsychoEFrost]

A retcon is "This was not a piece, but now it is."

Which is the exact opposite of Charles' mind being stuck into a cloned body eventually having something to do with how mutants would become essentially immortal.

Feel free to show exactly where in Xavier's return did they ever imply an immortal Moira, Krakoa, or mutant immortality via Cerebro.

[Havok83]

A retcon is "This was not a piece, but now it is."

Which is the exact opposite of Charles' mind being stuck into a cloned body eventually having something to do with how mutants would become essentially immortal.

Retcon: "Moira was never a mutant, but now she is."

The entire basis for the new status quo has been built around that retcon and the implications/ramifications of it. Its ridiculous to act like there hasnt been a retcon

[JB]

Is it really relevant if it was foreshadowed, though? As in, is enjoyment of the HoX/PoX and the Dawn of X absolutely reliant on the idea that? I can't relate to the feeling, so it's an honest question.

You took the thought right out my brain. Does it *really* matter? Considering the series has been a commercial success, apparently it does not matter to many including myself. Just my opinion. And Hickman certainly isn't the first to do this. Reminds me of when Betsy suddenly had TK.

[numberthirty]

Retcon: "Moira was never a mutant, but now she is."

The entire basis for the new status quo has been built around that retcon and the implications/ramifications of it. Its ridiculous to act like there hasnt been a retcon

Which has nothing to do with that the idea that a mutant's mind could be put into a cloned body was absolutely a preexisting element.

[numberthirty]

Feel free to show exactly where in Xavier's return did they ever imply an immortal Moira, Krakoa, or mutant immortality via Cerebro.

For starters...

That bit in blue is just not the case.

As for "Mutant Immortality Via Cerebro", that's one half of the whole. The other half has existed for quite a while foreshadowing that the current process was possible.

[PsychoEFrost]

Which has nothing to do with that the idea that a mutant's mind could be put into a cloned body was absolutely a preexisting element.

It is a preexisting element. So are Banshee's castle being a gateway to an Irish world of magic and Rachel becoming a dinosaur. Should we expect those next?

Because this just sounds like "Third time Xavier has come back from the dead = Half-Life 3 Confirmed!"

[Havok83]

Which has nothing to do with that the idea that a mutant's mind could be put into a cloned body was absolutely a preexisting element.

Okay and who said that it wasnt?

[numberthirty]

Okay and who said that it wasnt?

No one.

A preexisting element isn't a retcon.

We aren't even getting into The Founder and the exact details of it's plan.

This stuff isn't a retcon. It has always been foreshadowed in what was in the title.

[PsychoEFrost]

No one.

A preexisting element isn't a retcon.

We aren't even getting into The Founder and the exact details of it's plan.

This stuff isn't a retcon. It has always been foreshadowed in what was in the title.

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No. Unless you can show the exact issue where ANY OF THIS was ever foreshadowed, you're objectively wrong.

[Havok83]

No one.

A preexisting element isn't a retcon.

We aren't even getting into The Founder and the exact details of it's plan.

This stuff isn't a retcon. It has always been foreshadowed in what was in the title.

PsychoEFrost didnt say every single thing that was written in HoX/PoX was a retcon but the entire basis for the new status quo is built around aa retcon. Thats a fact. You are the one thats choosing to focus on the mind transfer while ignoring Moira being a mutant and how she's been plotting since the moment we met her

[numberthirty]

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No. Unless you can show the exact issue where ANY OF THIS was ever foreshadowed, you're objectively wrong.

Uncanny X-Men #360 - #364

[PsychoEFrost]

Uncanny X-Men #360 - #364

And those issues explicitly lay out that Moira is an immortal mutant who has lived multiple lives to set up Hickman's run.

Funny how no one ever mentioned that before. 21 years, and not one person realized. That's some foreshadowing.

[Havok83]

And those issues explicitly lay out that Moira is an immortal mutant who has lived multiple lives to set up Hickman's run.

Funny how no one ever mentioned that before. 21 years, and not one person realized. That's some foreshadowing.

Shoot, most of us thought she was dead up until 2 months ago. Her death probably wasnt retconned either

[numberthirty]

And those issues explicitly lay out that Moira is an immortal mutant who has lived multiple lives to set up Hickman's run.

Funny how no one ever mentioned that before.

Again, what is in blue is not the case.

That said, yes. The pieces that foreshadow(without dropping cover to spell it out in huge red letters so that someone can say "Oh, I guess that might have been foreshadowed!") this have always been out there.