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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    But isn't the implication here that he really can't? Eventually, the brainwashing will fail.
    In the AoXM, he's creating and actively maintaining an entire pocket world with all the attendant mind control of the 'real' people there that entails. In the 616, disintegrated Sentinels won't rematerialize. The average human bigots he one off mentally manipulates won't start remembering their old hatreds. We've seen lesser telepaths do ridiculous things en masse, like Emma and her Cyclops vs Black Bolt trick or when Xavier makes people forget they have mutant children. Regular humans don't have the psi shields necessary to resist or reverse having their minds tampered with by an omega level telepath.
    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    In the AoXM, he's creating and actively maintaining an entire pocket world with all the attendant mind control of the 'real' people there that entails. In the 616, disintegrated Sentinels won't rematerialize. The average human bigots he one off mentally manipulates won't start remembering their old hatreds. We've seen lesser telepaths do ridiculous things en masse, like Emma and her Cyclops vs Black Bolt trick or when Xavier makes people forget they have mutant children. Regular humans don't have the psi shields necessary to resist or reverse having their minds tampered with by an omega level telepath.
    He's been maintaining this world for a few months with the help of Legion and a freaking Life Seed and now that control is slipping. Plus, while this world is impressive, it's still only one planet.

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    If Nate tried something so massive in 616 even though the X-Men could not stop it, he would eventually be stopped. Finally it would happen as when Cable in Providence, someone would end up coming over his league as Silver Surfer.

    People like Doctor Doom, Tony Stark, Doctor Strange or Reed Richards could also stop him in the long term. It is basically the reasoning that Norman Osborn used to contain The Void.

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    That reasoning I can get behind. There's always someone more powerful who'll rant on about civil liberties and morality.

    "You infringed on those people's rights! Turn then back into hateful, potential murderers or we'll have an epic fight!"
    Quote Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    That reasoning I can get behind. There's always someone more powerful who'll rant on about civil liberties and morality.

    "You infringed on those people's rights! Turn then back into hateful, potential murderers or we'll have an epic fight!"
    But Nate's world isn't that great. It's pretty awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    But Nate's world isn't that great. It's pretty awful.
    Indeed even Nate is feeling claustrophobic there, thereīs no much you can do when the world is dystopic even if it looks like a Utopia,
    a golden cage does not stop being a prison, and almost everyone is a prisoner in AoXM.
    "The time for subtlety is passing. Now is the time for change." [New Mutants (Vol. 1) #38]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyinthesky View Post
    Indeed even Nate is feeling claustrophobic there, thereīs no much you can do when the world is dystopic even if it looks like a Utopia,
    a golden cage does not stop being a prison, and almost everyone is a prisoner in AoXM.
    And I would like to point out, who are the ones being punished in this reality? Because the two worst people-Apocalypse and Omega Red-don't seem to be suffering the same as people like Bishop and Nezumi.

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    I donīt know about Omega Red but Apocalypse seems to be having a good time. I donīt think Nate thinks about this world as a place of punishment, Bishop and Nezumi may disagree but for Nate this world is kind of a reeducation camp, he seeks to bring an end to violence teaching not violent methods to deal with mutant issues and the irony as that with this objective in mind he not only made the sitation for mutantkind worse in the real world, but also has been quite emotionaly and mentaly violent with the very people that he wants to teach and heal. This irony isnīt completely lost on him but he seems to have a plan for the people of this world, and everything is secondary to that end.
    "The time for subtlety is passing. Now is the time for change." [New Mutants (Vol. 1) #38]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyinthesky View Post
    I donīt know about Omega Red but Apocalypse seems to be having a good time. I donīt think Nate thinks about this world as a place of punishment, Bishop and Nezumi may disagree but for Nate this world is kind of a reeducation camp, he seeks to bring an end to violence teaching not violent methods to deal with mutant issues and the irony as that with this objective in mind he not only made the sitation for mutantkind worse in the real world, but also has been quite emotionaly and mentaly violent with the very people that he wants to teach and heal. This irony isnīt completely lost on him but he seems to have a plan for the people of this world, and everything is secondary to that end.
    Omega Red is going on a killing spree and isn't in prison, so I can't help but think he's having a fine time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    If Nate tried something so massive in 616 even though the X-Men could not stop it, he would eventually be stopped. Finally it would happen as when Cable in Providence, someone would end up coming over his league as Silver Surfer.

    People like Doctor Doom, Tony Stark, Doctor Strange or Reed Richards could also stop him in the long term. It is basically the reasoning that Norman Osborn used to contain The Void.
    But could they really have though? Without some gargantuan plot device who on Earth could stop Nate as he is now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoCoBandz View Post
    But could they really have though? Without some gargantuan plot device who on Earth could stop Nate as he is now?
    Well, technically, Nate's power even here isn't holding. And he's only getting anywhere because of the Life Seed and Legion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    Well, technically, Nate's power even here isn't holding. And he's only getting anywhere because of the Life Seed and Legion.
    Well we don't necessarily know that Legion has anything to do with this. Because remember, they were able to separate the 2 before Nate did whatever he did to bring them there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoCoBandz View Post
    But could they really have though? Without some gargantuan plot device who on Earth could stop Nate as he is now?
    I'm pretty sure Reed Richards could invent a gadget that would channel Franklin Richards' powers and stop Nate.

    For example. Nate is immeasurably powerful but not omnipotent

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    Seems pretty omnipotent right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichelleDiMera View Post
    Seems pretty omnipotent right now.
    In his own universe yes, but outside it the X-Men seemed close to breaking his shields.

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