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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    It's not that any specific person is or isn't corrupt, it's the feeling that the whole system is weighted against them. And in many cases it is. That sort of thing will naturally breed fear and distrust.
    I don't mean to imply that Harris is evil, just that she will have to work harder to win over people that feel let down by a system that she more personally represents than other candidates do.
    It also doesn't help that she was perfectly willing to drag her feet or go to bat for some of the obvious issues while she was a part of enforcement. Never mind that she has yet to take responsibility for that she did those sorts of things.

    It's not exactly like we are talking about Frank Serpico.

    Edit: Which is before you even take a second to think about that this is the person taking shots at other Democrats about their records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Why isn it that when Pelosi has a dispute with a few young, more progressive Dems, the Party is in disarray.

    But when the right wing loons in the GOP go off, like Gomert, King or the Freedom Caucus, all is still rainbows with their party?
    Partly due to how the GoP all fall in line every November.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    Partly due to how the GoP all fall in line every November.
    I think it has more to do with how the media views the two Parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinroc View Post
    Republicans ready to dive off a cliff on Obamacare
    GOP senators hope the courts strike down the health law — even if they have no plan to deal with the ensuing chaos.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...415313?cid=apn
    Personally I hope they strike it down too. The GOP'd be handing back the Senate on a silver plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    Partly due to how the GoP all fall in line every November.
    I think that has a lot to do with it. GOP don't need to be galvanized. You toss them a little red meat they WILL come out and vote. They vote in all elections regularly.

    Democrats need something to bring them out. They much more need a cause or something to get the numbers out.

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    What is the difference between supporting and voting for a racist, and being a racist? Is there a nuance I am not seeing?
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    Another obvious question mark about Harris and her time in enforcement...

    - https://www.wsj.com/articles/kamala-...rs-11560194725

    Kamala Harris Didn’t Act for 5 Years on Policy to Help Ensure Fair Trials

    Memos show the Democratic presidential candidate, advised in 2005 to adopt progressive policy as San Francisco district attorney, delayed before backtracking amid setback
    Aides to Ms. Harris in 2005 recommended adopting a policy popular among progressive criminal-justice reformers to disclose past misconduct by law enforcement in order to help ensure defendants received a fair trial. At the same time, police unions, who were already critical of the novice politician, opposed such a move as invasive and unnecessary.

    Ms. Harris, now a U.S. senator from California and candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, didn’t enact the policy at the time. That ended up backfiring years later in 2010, when her office’s lack of what’s known as a “Brady policy” was central in a scandal in which around 1,000 criminal cases were dismissed and a judge criticized Ms. Harris for violating defendants’ rights. She backtracked and enacted a policy in the aftermath.

    In response to questions for this article, Ms. Harris released a statement. “It took too long to implement, but I am proud we implemented a Brady policy in the D.A.’s office that was later called ‘a model for other jurisdictions’ ” by the California Supreme Court, the statement said.

    Her decision not to follow the suggestions of her staff—whose detailed preparations to enact a Brady policy haven’t been previously reported—sheds new light on a 15-year political career that, people who have worked with Ms. Harris say, has been marked by attempts to satisfy a liberal base’s demands that she be a “progressive prosecutor” while also securing backing from police officers.

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    So...

    If Harris was not technically a "Cop", she does not seem to have had any issue with stiff arming the disclosure of past misconduct by cops that would give defendants a better shot at a fair trial.

    The obvious question? What Republican was stopping Harris from implementing those changes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Why isn it that when Pelosi has a dispute with a few young, more progressive Dems, the Party is in disarray.

    But when the right wing loons in the GOP go off, like Gomert, King or the Freedom Caucus, all is still rainbows with their party?
    The Republicans were in disarray. And it got plenty of coverage.

    One of the best moves for Democrats is shutting down those on the left who go too far, either in claiming that a Native American lesbian member of Congress who flipped a Kansas congressional district for the party is enabling racism, suggesting that the purpose of the Green New Deal is to change the economy rather than to solve an environmental crisis, accusing blue dogs of being segregationists, or voting against funding for the migrant crisis.

    Democrats lucked into an opportunity for unity because Trump said some really stupid and racist stuff about the newcomers, so they might use this chance to hash things out privately.

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    Meanwhile, with other awful people...

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said on Sunday that he has no problem keeping the migrants in the squalid cells he saw during his detention facility tour in Texas with Vice President Mike Pence.


    “What I saw is a bunch of people who have been here before, broke the law before, and we’re not going to let them go,” Graham told Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures” host Maria Bartiromo. “I don’t care if they have to stay in these facilities for 400 days, we’re not going to let those men go that I saw. It would be dangerous.”

    Graham, who also serves as the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, claimed that “all of [the detained migrants] broke our law.”

    “All of them broke our law,” Graham said. “Many of them have done it before. And we’re not going to let them go.”

    And despite seeing for himself the unsanitary conditions of the two border facilities he had toured with Pence on Friday, Graham argued that “[t]his is not a concentration camp that I saw.”

    “It is a facility overwhelmed,” he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Democrats lucked into an opportunity for unity because Trump said some really stupid and racist stuff about the newcomers, so they might use this chance to hash things out privately.
    Right -- how lucky for all of us that the Republicans nominated an unapologetic racist to lead our nation.

    Many of whom would rather talk about metaphysical open borders than the outright bigotry inherent in their party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    He posted ten more times after that.
    And then ran off with his tail between his legs after we started actually engaging with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Legally, economic migrants are not entitled to asylum, so this doesn't address everything.
    'Economic migrants' is a term used to disparage people who travel thousands of miles to come to a safe place to work and raise their families in peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    Personally I hope they strike it down too. The GOP'd be handing back the Senate on a silver plate.
    A lot of people would die if the Courts struck down the ACA.

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    These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.

    Of the 149 experts who signed at least one of the two letters warning that Trump was unfit for office — the first published on the War on the Rocks website during the 2016 GOP primaries and the second on the New York Times’s site during the general election campaign — just one has been hired by the Trump administration. James Jeffrey, a Middle East expert who served under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, was named the State Department’s special representative for Syria last summer and in January was given the additional role of special envoy to counter the Islamic State.
    Some of the letter organizers, including Eliot A. Cohen, a State Department counselor in the Bush administration, and Max Boot, a Washington Post columnist who advised the 2008 presidential campaign of the late senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), have remained prominent critics of Trump’s policies and personal conduct.

    But others have expressed admiration for his willingness to take a harder line on China’s trade practices, even if they remain uneasy about the tariff war between Washington and Beijing. And they asserted that Trump’s un*or*tho*dox personal diplomacy with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un has opened an unexpected avenue to try at least to contain Pyongyang’s nuclear weapons program.

    Trump’s foreign policy “might not be as bad as feared and not as good as hoped,” said Peter Feaver, a Duke University political science professor who served on the National Security Council under George W. Bush and signed both letters.
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