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    Five miles from the Virginia Capitol, a pregnant woman is shot right after failed gun debate

    “My heart just dropped once again,” Stoney said. “These are the hardest messages to receive. Not only are you talking about the woman’s life, but you’re talking about the life of the child or the pregnancy that was endangered. It’s a lot.”

    Republicans’ decision to postpone debate until after the November election enraged Democrats and disappointed gun-control advocates, who saw the special session — called by Gov. Ralph Northam (D) in the wake of the Virginia Beach massacre — as an opportunity to end decades of deadlock.
    Republicans dismissed Northam’s move as “political theater” designed to divert attention from his blackface scandal. The governor responded by saying that “an average of three Virginians die each day due to gun violence. That means hundreds of Virginians may die between today and November 18, the next day the legislature plans to work.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    I wonder if that 2015 suspension from FOX News was because of the actual substance of her statement, or because she uttered the word, "shit."

    BTW, does she really have anywhere else to go? I mean, the only other place I've seen her since the Clueless TV series was one of the Sharknado sequels.
    Think about that for a moment...you cough up stereotypical conservative talking points, yet somehow make them sound even dumber and Fox News thinks you're too toxic. I'm not sure even Prager U will take her.

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    Ok...

    While I guess I get the reason that folks want to avoid entertaining "Democrats Are For Open Borders..." discussion, is there any reason that more folks aren't wondering about the distinct lack of specific plans among the Democratic candidates running for the nomination when it comes to the reason why folks are coming North or making asylum claims?

    Are the root causes just going to magically disappear if a Democrat wins the Presidency? Jacked up United States drug policy somehow magically stop being an issue?

    Sure, there is some discussion of how economic aid impacts the situation, but it's not like there was no one to deport during former President Obama's term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    Think about that for a moment...you cough up stereotypical conservative talking points, yet somehow make them sound even dumber and Fox News thinks you're too toxic. I'm not sure even Prager U will take her.
    While I don't want to will an issue into existence, I cannot believe that the current administration has not found a job for her yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Okay... Thirty makes a good point here though. The Republicans supported the war without question the same as the Democrats. The same as most citizens (support for the war was at 70% at one point). Not to mention the media who was all for it.

    There were select few that were on the right side of history at the crucial moments of that war that didn't go with the politically popular position. I think that says something about them, and it says something about the ones who weren't
    There's a world of difference between lying to others and being lied to by others -- the Republicans were the liars and the Democrats (and other American citizens) were the ones being lied to in that situation by Republicans regarding WMDs and Saddam's weapons capabilities in general.



    It's fine if you want to hold the Democrats accountable for those votes, but let's not pretend "both sides" were equally responsible for said war, especially when it's far easier to see those lies in retrospect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    There's a world of difference between lying to others and being lied to by others -- the Republicans were the liars and the Democrats (and other American citizens) were the ones being lied to in that situation by Republicans regarding WMDs and Saddam's weapons capabilities in general.

    It's fine if you want to hold the Democrats accountable for those votes, but let's not pretend "both sides" were equally responsible for said war.
    Nothing about this post changes that it is probably incredibly unlikely that all Republicans were in government in on said lie. That is what would be needed for them to actually have been looking the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Nothing about this post changes that it is probably incredibly unlikely that all Republicans were in government in on said lie. That is what would be needed for them to actually have been looking the other way.
    And nothing about your post disproves that you'll always try to find a way to slam Democrats even if it's based on the same old "both sides are the same" nonsense.

    As for the Republicans "looking the other way" their reaction to Trump's frequent lies and racist comments prove otherwise -- whether they knew it was a lie or not, they would have supported it on party lines alone.

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    This is a list of U.S. Senators and Representatives who have taken a clear stand in opposition to the Iraq War (including those who initially voted to authorize the war but subsequently turned strongly against it).

    Name Current/Last Held Party Date First in U.S. Congressional Office Iraq Resolution

    Neil Abercrombie Democratic September 20, 1986 Against
    Daniel Akaka Democratic January 3, 1977 Against
    Doug Bereuter Republican January 3, 1979 For
    Jeff Bingaman Democratic January 3, 1983 Against
    Earl Blumenauer Democratic May 21, 1996 Against
    Barbara Boxer Democratic January 3, 1983 Against
    Sherrod Brown Democratic January 5, 1993 Against
    Robert Byrd Democratic January 3, 1959 Against
    Lois Capps Democratic March 17, 1998 Against
    Lincoln Chafee Independent November 2, 1999 Against
    Steve Cohen Democratic January 4, 2007
    Kent Conrad Democratic-NPL January 6, 1987 Against
    John Conyers Democratic January 4, 1965 Against
    Jon Corzine Democratic January 3, 2001 Against
    Mark Dayton Democratic-Farmer-Labor January 3, 2001 Against
    Peter DeFazio Democratic January 3, 1987 Against
    Bill Delahunt Democratic January 3, 1997 Against
    Lloyd Doggett Democratic 1995 Against
    Jimmy Duncan Republican November 8, 1988 Against
    Dick Durbin Democratic January 3, 1983 Against
    Keith Ellison Democratic-Farmer-Labor January 4, 2007
    Sam Farr Democratic June 8, 1993 Against
    Chaka Fattah Democratic January 3, 1995 Against
    Russ Feingold Democratic January 5, 1993 Against
    Barney Frank Democratic January 5, 1981 Against
    Bob Graham Democratic January 3, 1987 Against
    Chuck Hagel Republican January 7, 1997 For
    Maurice Hinchey Democratic January 3, 1993 Against
    Rush D. Holt, Jr. Democratic January 3, 1999 Against
    John Hostettler Republican January 3, 1995 Against
    Daniel Inouye Democratic August 21, 1959 Against
    Jim Jeffords Independent January 3, 1975 Against
    Eddie Bernice Johnson Democratic January 3, 1993 Against
    Walter B. Jones Republican January 3, 1995 For
    Ted Kennedy Democratic November 7, 1962 Against
    John Kerry Democratic January 2, 1985 For
    Dennis Kucinich Democratic January 3, 1997 Against
    Patrick Leahy Democratic January 14, 1975 Against
    Barbara Lee Democratic April 7, 1998 Against
    Carl Levin Democratic January 15, 1979 Against
    John Lewis Democratic January 6, 1987 Against
    Jim McDermott Democratic January 3, 1989 Against
    Jim McGovern Democratic January 3, 1997 Against
    Cynthia McKinney Green Party January 7, 1997 Against
    Bob Menendez Democratic January 5, 1993 Against
    Jeff Merkley Democratic January 3, 2009
    Barbara Mikulski Democratic January 3, 1977 Against
    George Miller Democratic January 14, 1975 Against
    Jim Moran Democratic January 3, 1991 Against
    Patrick Murphy Democratic January 4, 2007
    Patty Murray Democratic January 5, 1993 Against
    John Murtha Democratic February 5, 1974 For
    Barack Obama Democratic January 4, 2005
    Ron Paul Republican January 3, 1979 Against
    Nancy Pelosi Democratic June 2, 1987 Against
    Jack Reed Democratic January 3, 1991 Against
    Jay Rockefeller Democratic January 15, 1985 For
    Bobby Rush Democratic January 3, 1993 Against
    Tim Ryan Democratic January 3, 2003
    Bernie Sanders Independent January 3, 1991 Against
    Paul Sarbanes Democratic January 3, 1971 Against
    Jan Schakowsky Democratic January 6, 1999 Against
    Josť Serrano Democratic March 20, 1990 Against
    Debbie Stabenow Democratic January 7, 1997 Against
    Pete Stark Democratic January 3, 1973 Against
    Maxine Waters Democratic January 3, 1991 Against
    Diane Watson Democratic June 5, 2001 Against
    Jim Webb Democratic January 3, 2007
    Paul Wellstone Democratic-Farmer-Labor January 3, 1991 Against
    Robert Wexler Democratic January 3, 1997 For
    Sheldon Whitehouse Democratic January 3, 2007
    Lynn Woolsey Democratic January 3, 1993 Against
    Ron Wyden Democratic January 3, 1981 Against

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...f_the_Iraq_War
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    And nothing about your post disproves that you'll always try to find a way to slam Democrats even if it's based on the same old "both sides are the same" nonsense.

    As for the Republicans "looking the other way" their reaction to Trump's racist comments today (and nearly every other day) prove otherwise -- whether they knew it was a lie or not, they would have supported it regardless.

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    This is a list of U.S. Senators and Representatives who have taken a clear stand in opposition to the Iraq War (including those who initially voted to authorize the war but subsequently turned strongly against it).

    Name Current/Last Held Party Date First in U.S. Congressional Office Iraq Resolution[1][2]

    Neil Abercrombie Democratic September 20, 1986 Against
    Daniel Akaka Democratic January 3, 1977 Against
    Doug Bereuter Republican January 3, 1979 For
    Jeff Bingaman Democratic January 3, 1983 Against
    Earl Blumenauer Democratic May 21, 1996 Against
    Barbara Boxer Democratic January 3, 1983 Against
    Sherrod Brown Democratic January 5, 1993 Against
    Robert Byrd Democratic January 3, 1959 Against
    Lois Capps Democratic March 17, 1998 Against
    Lincoln Chafee Independent November 2, 1999 Against
    Steve Cohen Democratic January 4, 2007
    Kent Conrad Democratic-NPL January 6, 1987 Against
    John Conyers Democratic January 4, 1965 Against
    Jon Corzine Democratic January 3, 2001 Against
    Mark Dayton Democratic-Farmer-Labor January 3, 2001 Against
    Peter DeFazio Democratic January 3, 1987 Against
    Bill Delahunt Democratic January 3, 1997 Against
    Lloyd Doggett Democratic 1995 Against
    Jimmy Duncan Republican November 8, 1988 Against
    Dick Durbin Democratic January 3, 1983 Against
    Keith Ellison Democratic-Farmer-Labor January 4, 2007
    Sam Farr Democratic June 8, 1993 Against
    Chaka Fattah Democratic January 3, 1995 Against
    Russ Feingold Democratic January 5, 1993 Against
    Barney Frank Democratic January 5, 1981 Against
    Bob Graham Democratic January 3, 1987 Against
    Chuck Hagel Republican January 7, 1997 For
    Maurice Hinchey Democratic January 3, 1993 Against
    Rush D. Holt, Jr. Democratic January 3, 1999 Against
    John Hostettler Republican January 3, 1995 Against
    Daniel Inouye Democratic August 21, 1959 Against
    Jim Jeffords Independent January 3, 1975 Against
    Eddie Bernice Johnson Democratic January 3, 1993 Against
    Walter B. Jones Republican January 3, 1995 For
    Ted Kennedy Democratic November 7, 1962 Against
    John Kerry Democratic January 2, 1985 For
    Dennis Kucinich Democratic January 3, 1997 Against
    Patrick Leahy Democratic January 14, 1975 Against
    Barbara Lee Democratic April 7, 1998 Against
    Carl Levin Democratic January 15, 1979 Against
    John Lewis Democratic January 6, 1987 Against
    Jim McDermott Democratic January 3, 1989 Against
    Jim McGovern Democratic January 3, 1997 Against
    Cynthia McKinney Green Party January 7, 1997 Against
    Bob Menendez Democratic January 5, 1993 Against
    Jeff Merkley Democratic January 3, 2009
    Barbara Mikulski Democratic January 3, 1977 Against
    George Miller Democratic January 14, 1975 Against
    Jim Moran Democratic January 3, 1991 Against
    Patrick Murphy Democratic January 4, 2007
    Patty Murray Democratic January 5, 1993 Against
    John Murtha Democratic February 5, 1974 For
    Barack Obama Democratic January 4, 2005
    Ron Paul Republican January 3, 1979 Against
    Nancy Pelosi Democratic June 2, 1987 Against
    Jack Reed Democratic January 3, 1991 Against
    Jay Rockefeller Democratic January 15, 1985 For
    Bobby Rush Democratic January 3, 1993 Against
    Tim Ryan Democratic January 3, 2003
    Bernie Sanders Independent January 3, 1991 Against
    Paul Sarbanes Democratic January 3, 1971 Against
    Jan Schakowsky Democratic January 6, 1999 Against
    Josť Serrano Democratic March 20, 1990 Against
    Debbie Stabenow Democratic January 7, 1997 Against
    Pete Stark Democratic January 3, 1973 Against
    Maxine Waters Democratic January 3, 1991 Against
    Diane Watson Democratic June 5, 2001 Against
    Jim Webb Democratic January 3, 2007
    Paul Wellstone Democratic-Farmer-Labor January 3, 1991 Against
    Robert Wexler Democratic January 3, 1997 For
    Sheldon Whitehouse Democratic January 3, 2007
    Lynn Woolsey Democratic January 3, 1993 Against
    Ron Wyden Democratic January 3, 1981 Against

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...f_the_Iraq_War
    So, your saying you don't have any actual proof that every Republican in Congress was in on the lie?

    In addition, could you go into specifics on exactly how Rep. James Leach fit into spreading said lie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    This is what Democrats believe, they'll just never admit it; you know it's true, and nothing anyone says will ever convince you otherwise. There's no arguing with that. It just completely shuts down the discussion.
    There's a lot that can convince me otherwise. Someone can point to prominent Democrats expressing some clearly defined limiting principle on legal immigration. Or they can provide an answer to a question I've had for a while: If Democrats haven't expressed opinions on a limiting principle on legal immigration, what should we infer from the silence, and why should we infer that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    So, your saying you don't have any actual proof that every Republican in Congress was in on the lie?
    Nope -- I'm saying that they support liars (like Bush and Trump) regardless so it's a moot point of argument, while likewise pointing out that Republicans were the main ones supporting the war that they initiated based on false documentation and providing an extensive list of Democrats that were against it.

    Which you will ignore because the facts don't line up with your need to attack the Democratic party at nearly every opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    And nothing about your post disproves that you'll always try to find a way to slam Democrats even if it's based on the same old "both sides are the same" nonsense.

    ...
    Put simply, it's actually about that I doubt that anyone in Congress had full knowledge of that a legitimate lie was in progress and voted for it even though they knew. Which is clearly what they would need to actually be "Looking The Other Way..."

    No slam on Democrats because I honestly think that they probably had roughly the same level of insight.

    Do I think that the specific folks in the Executive branch lied? Sure. I just doubt that Republicans in Congress were in on it and staying mum to go into an ill-advised war.

    Actually, I can say for a fact that at least two Congressional Republicans did the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    There's a lot that can convince me otherwise. Someone can point to prominent Democrats expressing some clearly defined limiting principle on legal immigration. Or they can provide an answer to a question I've had for a while: If Democrats haven't expressed opinions on a limiting principle on legal immigration, what should we infer from the silence, and why should we infer that?
    We should infer that you keep asking a hypothetical question to avoid discussing the unhypothetical truth that your party is essentially a corrupt, racist criminal cabal that abuses children for votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Put simply, it's actually about that I doubt that anyone in Congress had full knowledge of that a legitimate lie was in progress and voted for it even though they knew. Which is clearly what they would need to actually be "Looking The Other Way..."

    No slam on Democrats because I honestly think that they probably had roughly the same level of insight.

    Do I think that the specific folks in the Executive branch lied? Sure. I just doubt that Republicans in Congress were in on it and staying mum to go into an ill-advised war.

    Actually, I can say for a fact that at least two Congressional Republicans did the opposite.
    Fair enough.

    You choose to give them the benefit of the doubt while (based on their record) I don't.

    Like Paul Ryan once said about Trump's Russian connections, it's all in the family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    This can work. The people who need asylum will get it in other countries. And there are exceptions for those who need it in the US.

    There's more to be done here. The US should provide a lot of foreign aid to these countries so they don't shoulder the financial burden.

    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    Your comments are informed by your conservative biases -- nothing more, nothing less. You ignore any facts that counter said bias -- such as actual Democratic leadership and legislation -- and instead focus on finding articles that support your preconceptions about the "left". Whether you don't see that or are just pretending not to see it is debatable, but it's obvious to anyone who sees you accusing others of making "ad hominem" attacks when they are providing actual statistics and documentation that disproves your rhetoric.

    You spin Obama's actual record on immigration and deportation as you see fit and focus instead on "limiting principles" and "open borders" while ignoring your own party's illegal activities, family separation policies, and abuse of children at the border -- it's a transparently poor attempt to defend the indefensible at best.

    It basically comes down to: "I can't comment on the criminal and immoral behavior of the Republicans and their cruelty towards immigrants because I think the Democrats would be worse on immigration even though I have no factual evidence to prove it -- in fact, though all evidence shows the opposite to be true, I'd rather make assumptions about the Democrats based on my preconceived biases than accept the data at face value."
    If you've got articles suggesting how Democrats plan to address the current immigration problems, I'm interested in reading those.

    Focusing on what the Obama administration did neglects the consensus that the party has gotten more radical on the topic, and often exaggerates the significance of things that are beyond Obama's control (a decline in immigration due to improved economic conditions in other countries) or misinterpreted (IE- counting people who were sent back without processing in earlier administrations as deported.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    Fair enough.

    You choose to give them the benefit of the doubt while (based on their record) I don't.

    Like Paul Ryan once said about Trump's Russian connections, it's all in the family.
    It's more like "To actually buy into the assertion, I would have to accept that Republicans were all in on it and did the most 'Breaking Into The McCallister House...' version possible of executing it."

    That, I have my doubts about.

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