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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    In a world where folks getting in the way of things are using "Fake News" in order to do so, it is up to anyone actually trying make even incremental progress in that context to be right and lay out specifics.

    It's not an even remotely high bar to clear, and it takes one more thing that the folks getting in the way of making any progress can use when they try to sandbag progress.
    Chasing perfection to avoid giving others 'ammo' is a fruitless endeavour. That's not to suggest one should be lazy but rather worrying over much about 'giving them ammo' is spending more time on defense than is necessary. There will /always/ be something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Chasing perfection to avoid giving others 'ammo' is a fruitless endeavour. That's not to suggest one should be lazy but rather worrying over much about 'giving them ammo' is spending more time on defense than is necessary. There will /always/ be something.
    Luckily, no one is talking about even getting into that ballpark.

    Either point out that you are using a "Worldwide..." number or use a number that is actually closer to what is actually happening inside the United States.

    Simple dotting "I"s and crossing "T"s. Nowhere near "Chasing Perfection..." Just get the basics right.

    If this was a Republican tossing out a number that out of context in order to justify something, folks in this thread would rightly be pointing that fact out. No reason to use a different set of standards for Democrats. If anything, it's perfectly realistic to ask for them to at least do a little bit better job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Luckily, no one is talking about even getting into that ballpark.

    Either point out that you are using a "Worldwide..." number or use a number that is actually closer to what is actually happening inside the United States.

    Simple dotting "I"s and crossing "T"s. Nowhere near "Chasing Perfection..." Just get the basics right.

    If this was a Republican tossing out a number that out of context in order to justify something, folks in this thread would rightly be pointing that fact out. No reason to use a different set of standards for Democrats. If anything, it's perfectly realistic to ask for them to at least do a little bit better job.
    Actually, they aren't talking about that being the ballpark. You are, even if you won't admit it.

    My actual suggestion is that her not using the word 'worldwide' is not a big deal, and that you're buying into the criticism and bagging on yet another female representative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Sanctioning China over this would probably be the worst thing that could happen to the Uighurs. The Chinese government will just blame them for the resulting economic fallout and crack down on them even harder. I just can't think of a single example where well-meaning advocacy on behalf of an oppressed minority group overseas has actually worked, these governments inevitably interpret any activism as an American plot to undermine their power and double down on the repression.

    To put this in perspective, just imagine that there were Chinese activists calling for the US to be punished for police brutality or the migrant crisis, how much credibility would that have with you?
    Ending Apartheid in South Africa.

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    While Trump, in a tweet of course, accuses the NY Times of high treason for reporting on US cyber activities in Russia, the report also contains implied worries of high treason committed by the President himself:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/15/u...ssia-grid.html


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    But sure, do continue to argue about how quoting a worldwide statistics when discussing politics of a country that keeps claiming to lead the way globally is a horribly stupid thing. Don't worry about Trump destroying America AND the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    But sure, do continue to argue about how quoting a worldwide statistics when discussing politics of a country that keeps claiming to lead the way globally is a horribly stupid thing. Don't worry about Trump destroying America AND the world.
    Luckily, no one has said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Luckily, no one has said that.
    Luckily, no one is being manipulated by your weasel words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    Luckily, no one is being manipulated by your weasel words.
    I stan:

    This Weasel Is an Insatiable Serial Killer

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    Hey, that Starbucks billionaire we were all so worried about suspended his "campaign" this week and nobody even noticed.
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    I mean, we all just wanted him to go away and he did. Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    Hey, that Starbucks billionaire we were all so worried about suspended his "campaign" this week and nobody even noticed.
    Must have realised its a waste of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    I mean, we all just wanted him to go away and he did. Yay!
    Another time activism worked! Woo!

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    It was on this date in 2015 that we shared our original "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" profile of Henry Rayhons, who after racking up an impressive record as a staunch social conservative, hit the news wire with a story that made people feel a little more uncomfortable watching “The Notebook”. See, Rayhons’ wife was convalescing with dementia in a local nursing home, and after multiple advisements for him to not continue a sexual relationship with his wife because she would be too confused to consent (including having her doctor force Mr. Rayhons to sign a waiver that he understood that ship had sailed), Rayhons still went ahead and gave his wife a conjugal visit, and was reported for it by her roommate to staff. He was acquitted after an emotionally grueling trial, but it’s pretty hard to continue a political career after a news story like that. As such, we’ll just deem it as still “the most depressing episode of Law & Order: SVU ever”.


    In 2016, 2017, as well as 2018, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” presented profiles of the current U.S. House Representative from Oklahoma’s 3rd Congressional District, Frank Lucas, who in 2013, floated his own paranoid bit of fiction when in a radio interview, he claimed that the Obama administration was “leading a conspiracy to buy up all the bullets so they’re not available to us”. At the point Rep. Lucas was wetting his pants at the thought of this sinister takeover, the theory had already been debunked not just by the administration, but by the NRA (who you’d think would be the first to cry foul). Lucas was not content just to push this as a theory, actually trying to legislate based off of it to ban any federal agency outside of the Pentagon from buying ammunition (it didn’t pass, because, y’know, crazy talk). That was, of course, when he wasn't working supporters up into a lather on his own website about "the truth about Benghazi" for years after the attack took place.

    Anyway, Lucas found his way into office in a special election prior to the 1994 mid-terms to replace Glenn English, and his upset victory for the GOP was considered to be a sign of the "Red Wave" to come in the '94 mid-terms. And, for the past 23 years, as his district has been gerrymandered to be more and more conservative (currently it sits at a “mere” +26 Republican lean), he's grown bolder and bolder in his conservative agenda, having voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, a constitutional amendment to allow government buildings to erect monuments of the Ten Commandments, the Gramm-Leach-Billey Act (which repeals key parts of the Glass-Steagall Financial Regulation Act, and opened the door for big banks to create the 2007 Sub-Prime Mortgage Housing Crisis), the Iraq War Resolution, the Terry Schiavo Incapacitated Persons Protection Bill, and was a co-sponsor for a bill to create a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage in 2006. Through most of the past decade, he’s voted against the Equal Pay Bill, the reauthorization of the Children's Health Insurance Program, denying health insurance to millions of children, against ENDA (allowing the continued discrimination of LGBT citizens based on their sexual identity in the workplace), against the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, against the Hate Crimes Expansion that would provide protections to LGBT citizens against Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform, against increased regulations on offshore oil rigs after the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill, and against the DREAM Act, against the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". He has twice voted to defund Planned Parenthood, voted against the new version of the Violence Against Women Act, voted for the 2013 Government Shutdown and after 16 days, voted to keep the government closed. He’s also repeatedly voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act, voted to try and stop Syrian Refugees from being resettled in our country, and voted to try and prevent the United Nations Agenda 21 treaty from being enacted because… well, conspiracy theories, I suppose.

    This past year, Lucas didn’t just ignore scientific experts on climate change, but dismissed a World Health Organization report linking pesticides made by the manufacturer Monsanto, such as Roundup, as causing higher risk for cancer, calling it “shoddy work. Big surprise, he receives donations to his campaign coffers from Monsanto.

    Oklahoma’s 3rd Congressional District has a mere +26 Republican lean, per the Cook Partisan Voting Index, thus why Lucas won re-election in 2018 by a mere 47 points. With a fresh two year term, Lucas assured that his voting record gets uglier by the day:

    • January 23rd, 2019: Rep. Lucas voted against HR 648, because he was gleefully enjoying the longest government shutdown in history.
    • February 28th, 2019: Frank Lucas votes against HR 1112, a bill which would have required universal background checks on all firearm purchases, and close the gun show loophole.
    • March 14th, 2019: Rep. Lucas votes against HJR 46, which sane members of Congress voted for to reject Donald Trump’s “national emergency” regarding the U.S. border and his attempts to reallocate funds for a border wall without Congressional approval.
    • April 4th, 2019: Frank Lucas is one of 158 Republicans who choose to vote against the re-authorization of the Violence Against Women Act, likely because they feel the 2nd Amendment remaining absolute is more important than preventing people with a history of domestic abuse from owning a firearm (which statistics show, makes them more likely to use those firearms against women in their lives).
    • June 4th, 2019: Lucas votes against the Dreamers Act, because he’s too xenophobic and partisan to care about immigration reform.


    Considering that at his last town hall, Rep. Lucas was quoted as not just saying he would vote for the vanity project and waste of taxpayer dollars that is Donald Trump’s border wall, but that Trump was ”the reason I turned Republican. I want a businessman in there. I'm sick of the politicians", it seems like he’s cast his lot with Cheeto Mussolini. No matter how disastrous the downfall of Trump might be, though, his district is so red, that unless Lucas retires or sees a primary challenger who attacks him on his loyalty to the most corrupt president in American history, he’s regrettably not going to be leaving Washington anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Why Americans just refuse to do their jobs I'll never understand.
    Do people who feel this way think it was similarly wrong to kick Sarah Sanders out of the Red Hen Restaurant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    All right. Fair enough. But I still say that cafes and other restaurants that won't cater gay weddings should say so in their advertising and in a sign in the front of their restaurant. If they have such "sincerely held beliefs," then be completely open about it. But of course, they don't want to do that out of fear that straight allies of the LGBTQ community will boycott. God forbid we let the free market do what the free market is supposed to do, right?
    I don't think I can blame anyone else for failing to respond to the argument, since I don't know anyone else who had put it forward, but I think this could be a good idea.

    You might have more pushback from the left since this is a compromise on something many of them think shouldn't be compromised.

    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Why is it always that the people who cry the most about their rights and liberties being violated are just using that as an excuse to violate the rights and liberties of others? Sure, refusing to bake a cake is probably the most innocuous form of "protest" that the anti-LGBT folks have, but if they get their way on this that will only embolden them to try and claw back further gains that society has made in the last few decades.
    Isn't the controversy evidence that the other side is also loud about their rights and liberties being violated?

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