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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkspellmaster View Post
    True enough, but I'm wondering what sort of move this is on the ladies parts. Early bid for a future run using Bernie as a platform? And for that matter why are you endorsing a white guy over a woman who could be the first female president. No offense to senator Sanders, but how does it look when you are already in the 2020s and you have yet another old white, albeit Jewish, male as the head of the US? By now other older countries have had women as leader, why is it that we, once more, have women endorsing a guy when the woman that is running has almost the same platform. Jeeze!
    Well because Warren doesn’t exactly have the same platform especially on foreign policy. And there is the general belief that Bernie is the more progressive and purer candidate. Since the Squad is the most ideologically progressive unit in Congress, it makes sense they are going with the more ideological left candidate.

    Also 2020 not withstanding but Bernie Sanders holds most of his support with the youth across racial and gender lines. It’s a smart move to ensure support in the next generation of voters.

    Also it doesn’t really matter, if Warren gets the nom, nobody bats an eye if they start stumping for her (especially since Sanders will throw his support behind her if he loses)

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    Never-Before-Seen Trump Tax Documents Show Major Inconsistencies

    Documents obtained by ProPublica show stark differences in how Donald Trump’s businesses reported some expenses, profits and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings, giving a lender different figures than they provided to New York City tax authorities. The discrepancies made the buildings appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the officials who set the buildings’ property tax.

    For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017. He also gave conflicting occupancy figures for one of his signature skyscrapers, located at 40 Wall Street.

    Lenders like to see a rising occupancy level as a sign of what they call “leasing momentum.” Sure enough, the company told a lender that 40 Wall Street had been 58.9% leased on Dec. 31, 2012, and then rose to 95% a few years later. The company told tax officials the building was 81% rented as of Jan. 5, 2013.
    A dozen real estate professionals told ProPublica they saw no clear explanation for multiple inconsistencies in the documents. The discrepancies are “versions of fraud,” said Nancy Wallace, a professor of finance and real estate at the Haas School of Business at the University of ************Berkeley. “This kind of stuff is not OK.”
    Bet the rest of Trump's tax info shows a history of fraud and other criminal activity.
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    CNN moderators’s debate questions left a lot to be desired.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/demcr...ushpmg00000006

    Julián Castro had a pretty accurate take. “ Three hours and no questions tonight about climate, housing, or immigration.

    Climate change is an existential threat. America has a housing crisis. Children are still in cages at our border.

    But you know, Ellen.”

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    Here’s everything you need to know about the November Democratic debate

    1) They’ve secured at least 165,000 individual donors, including 600 individual donors from 20 states.

    2) They’ve reached 3 percent in the polls in four Democratic National Committee (DNC) approved surveys, or five percent in two DNC approved polls from the four earliest primary and caucus states — Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada.

    The candidates who have met the polling and donor thresholds are:

    Former Vice President Joe Biden
    Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren
    Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders
    California Sen. Kamala Harris
    New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker
    South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg
    Entrepreneur Andrew Yang
    Billionaire and climate advocate Tom Steyer

    Four candidates have met just the donor requirement:

    Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro
    Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar
    Former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke
    Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard
    Surprised Steyer made the list. I hope Castro and Klobuchar get the polling numbers they need to qualify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Yeah, Sanders sounds weak...

    This guy is on fire.
    His campaign issued a statement that it was not actual fire, just heartburn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Here’s everything you need to know about the November Democratic debate



    Surprised Steyer made the list. I hope Castro and Klobuchar get the polling numbers they need to qualify.
    I hope they dont. They have no shot and are just wasting time. They are glorified Cabinet position seekers. Really anyone under 5% shouldn’t be there. Too many issues got ignored last night.

    The field at this point should be Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttegieg and Harris.

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    Ayanna Pressley breaks with AOC and other allies on Sanders endorsement

    Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib are backing Sen. Bernie Sanders for president, potentially giving his campaign a burst of new energy in the wake of the fourth presidential debate on Tuesday.

    But a fourth progressive member of Congress who’s often associated with the three representatives is not making an endorsement yet.

    “Ayanna has tremendous respect for her sisters-in-service,” a spokesperson for Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) told Vox. “Ultimately, these political decisions are made as individuals.”

    The four first-term congresswomen are often called “the Squad” by admirers and critics alike, but there are plenty of differences among the women. Pressley’s decision to break with Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, and Tlaib for now is a reminder that the Squad isn’t a monolith. And while three influential progressive congresswomen are throwing their support behind Sanders, Pressley’s endorsement remains up for grabs.
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    smart move on her part. there's no reason that they can't operate individually.
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    Lindsey Graham still is playing his split personality game of blindly supporting Trump against impeachment, while criticizing him severely on the massacre of the Kurds:

    "This is the most screwed up decision I've seen since I have been in Congress."

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    Fourth defendant in Giuliani associates’ case arrested at New York airport

    David Correia, the fourth defendant in a campaign finance case involving business associates of President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, was arrested Wednesday morning at a New York City airport, officials said.

    Correia has been charged with participating in a scheme to use foreign money to build political support for a fledgling recreational marijuana business in Nevada and other states, according to an indictment unsealed last week that also charged Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman with conspiracy and making false statements to campaign finance regulators.

    The other three defendants were quickly arrested by the FBI, but Correia’s whereabouts have been unclear until Wednesday morning. Correia is expected to make a brief court appearance Wednesday, and all four defendants are due to appear before a judge Thursday morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    I mean I don't really follow super far left people on twitter or social media and generally have the main establishment players who are far more partial to Biden. If he's making them cringe he's doing poorly. The reality is, what I expected with Biden is coming to pass. Warren is closing in on him and the more beatable he looks the more his aura of "electability" is shaken. Warren is now viewed as a legitimate frontrunner and she's leading most of the early states. Once Biden is no longer ahead nationally, he's going to have serious issues. Whether that's in the coming months or when he loses the first few primaries that he's behind in. He has serious issues. And the polling reflects that. We've seen much larger frontrunners with bigger leads ultimately lose and he's going to have issues.

    His biggest problem is that it's basically him and then two progressives immeidately after. Every poll has Sanders and Warren as the other canidates in the top 3. Nationally it's Biden, Warren, and then Sanders. The big issue with that is he probably doesn't want to pick one of them off too early because then he just raises the next one and runs the risk of them consolidating support from the left. The rest of the field is a little too weak and disjointed to mount a serious challenge. Buttegieg and Harris are polling at a 3rd of Sanders right now who has been stagnant while Warren surged and everyone else is 2% or less.

    He's in a very unfortunate position where he has to play keep away from two popular challengers and he can't press too hard on one or it might strengthen the other.
    Maybe, I do think the "What have you accomplished?" question is a fair, and necessary, one for Sanders. Whatever you think of his ideas, he's never found a way to make them happen. And since President doesn't equal King....he's got some explaining to do on how he makes those policies become reality. It's one thing to stand outside pointing out all the things that are wrong, it's a whole other level to find ways to make solutions happen. Naive people can attack Biden for his track record...but he has one because he's actually attempted solutions. Bernie has mostly spent a few decades fruitlessly complaining.

    I'll be curious to see what happens with Biden's support after the early states. His lead with established white and black democrats is pretty strong and hasn't wavered much for months. I can't rule out that it will falter, but I also wouldn't bank on it at this point. Electability is part of his appeal, but so is a sense of normalcy and "good ol days". What Biden offers is comfort and reliability.

    I'm also not convinced Bernie or Warren's supporters drift to the other as a second choice. Hell, I'm not sure Bernie would ever drop out of the race no matter where he was polling.

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    Pressley is from MA. That’s Warren’s turf. She also didn’t endorse Sanders last time. It’s smarter for her to wait. The rest of them were expected to back Sanders. Pressley would be in a more awkward position if Warren won

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    Maybe, I do think the "What have you accomplished?" question is a fair, and necessary, one for Sanders. Whatever you think of his ideas, he's never found a way to make them happen. And since President doesn't equal King....he's got some explaining to do on how he makes those policies become reality. It's one thing to stand outside pointing out all the things that are wrong, it's a whole other level to find ways to make solutions happen. Naive people can attack Biden for his track record...but he has one because he's actually attempted solutions. Bernie has mostly spent a few decades fruitlessly complaining.

    I'll be curious to see what happens with Biden's support after the early states. His lead with established white and black democrats is pretty strong and hasn't wavered much for months. I can't rule out that it will falter, but I also wouldn't bank on it at this point. Electability is part of his appeal, but so is a sense of normalcy and "good ol days". What Biden offers is comfort and reliability.

    I'm also not convinced Bernie or Warren's supporters drift to the other as a second choice. Hell, I'm not sure Bernie would ever drop out of the race no matter where he was polling.
    If you are part of the establishment you will naturally accomplish more. Biden was always in the majority consensus in his party. He’d very misleading when he likes to act like he spearheaded others accomplishments like Warren. Also when you are in the majority and will be on the winning side of votes when your party has power, the decisions you make on bad policy is particular relevant. And Biden practically stumped for Bush on Iraq and was responsible for a lot of disasterous shit. There’s a reason he was a nonfactor in 08 and a junior Senator with few accomplishments made more headway..Also you can’t compare a President to a Senator. A President leads the party and sets agenda. Bernie made moves where he could based on his policy positions.

    And it’s foolish to say it’s naive to attack Biden for terrible shot he did. More people suffered because of things Biden pushed for and supported than anything on Sanders it Warren’s end. And it’s preposterous to dismiss that because he got some other shit done by always being aligned with the biggest group. There’s a lot the Obama admin accomplished that Biden advised against that he wants to take credit for now.

    Biden’s probably going to lose every early state but South Carolina. Warren is leading in Iowa, and New Hampshire and has been gaining in Nevada. SC is his only early spot with a huge lead. He loses 3 out of 4, historically he’s done.

    Bernie will most likely support Warren if she pulls away. He courted her to face Hillary last time. He’s smart enough to know it’s better for his agenda for him or Warren to win. In 2016 it suited his agenda to push Hillary as left as possible and get his policies in the national discourse before he stumped for her.

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    The Latest: Dems cite insults, quit Trump meeting on Turkey

    Democratic congressional leaders say they walked out of a briefing with President Donald Trump on Turkey after hearing little but insults from Trump.

    The Senate's top Democrat, Chuck Schumer, says Trump insulted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi by calling her a "third-rate politician." Schumer says the meeting "was not a dialogue. This was sort of a diatribe, a nasty diatribe not focused on the facts."

    Pelosi tells reporters outside the White House that "what we witnessed on the part of the president was a meltdown."

    Pelosi claims Trump appeared visibly "shaken up" after House passage of a bipartisan condemnation of his decision to order the withdrawal of American troops from northern Syria.

    Pelosi says Democrats "couldn't continue in the meeting because he was just not relating to the reality of it."
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    During meeting, Trump trashed Mattis, his first defense secretary, calling him “the world’s most overrated general. You know why? He wasn’t tough enough. I captured ISIS. Mattis said it would take 2 years. I captured them in 1 month.” (Per Democratic official.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    If you are part of the establishment you will naturally accomplish more. Biden was always in the majority consensus in his party. He’d very misleading when he likes to act like he spearheaded others accomplishments like Warren. Also when you are in the majority and will be on the winning side of votes when your party has power, the decisions you make on bad policy is particular relevant. And Biden practically stumped for Bush on Iraq and was responsible for a lot of disasterous shit. There’s a reason he was a nonfactor in 08 and a junior Senator with few accomplishments made more headway..Also you can’t compare a President to a Senator. A President leads the party and sets agenda. Bernie made moves where he could based on his policy positions.

    And it’s foolish to say it’s naive to attack Biden for terrible shot he did. More people suffered because of things Biden pushed for and supported than anything on Sanders it Warren’s end. And it’s preposterous to dismiss that because he got some other shit done by always being aligned with the biggest group. There’s a lot the Obama admin accomplished that Biden advised against that he wants to take credit for now.

    Biden’s probably going to lose every early state but South Carolina. Warren is leading in Iowa, and New Hampshire and has been gaining in Nevada. SC is his only early spot with a huge lead. He loses 3 out of 4, historically he’s done.

    Bernie will most likely support Warren if she pulls away. He courted her to face Hillary last time. He’s smart enough to know it’s better for his agenda for him or Warren to win. In 2016 it suited his agenda to push Hillary as left as possible and get his policies in the national discourse before he stumped for her.
    I think much of this is coming from your personal bias against Biden and for Sanders. As someone who will vote for a well dressed cat if they get the nomination...I'm trying to look at things objectively. Biden is the current front runner in many demographics of Democratic voters. And, frankly, the front runner in the most reliable blocs of the base. That means a lot, but losses in Iowa and New Hampshire could certainly rattle a lot of cages. Then again, the people below him have surged and fallen and he has been steady. Steady support is easier to bank on than emotional roller coasters. Sometimes the emotions work (Obama), but sometimes they just aren't enough to overcome the steady hand.

    Yes, Biden takes credit for a lot of things he was merely in the orbit of accomplishing, but Bernie can't even lay claim to that. I'm sorry, but it's simply true that Bernie has done virtually nothing in terms of meaningful legislation. You can credit him with moving the conversation and maybe that's far more important to you. That's fine, but he gets zero points on anything regarding actual legislation or policy. Has Biden had mistakes? Absolutely. Has he had successes? Absolutely. (We've been over this. The two things I said just now are truths, try to be objective) He's been involved in solutions and, since no one is perfect and public service is always complicated, he has a mixed record. But he means well. He's stable and would help push this country in the right direction. We can argue if it's enough, but certainly it will turn things for the better. Bernie? His run the last few years has a lot of positives I won't take away from him. But voters in key swing states will ask the very questions Biden did last night and he knows it. For Bernie those questions have no good answers.. His track record of accomplishments is non-existent in terms of regulation and policy. In a job where you are to pass regulations and policy....that sorta matters.

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