I'd also add the folks who counter protested the "Unite The Right" people in Charlottesville as example as young people are in fact out there marching. The idea that millennials aren't protesting "right" is kind of absurd. It makes me think the real criticism is, "Yer protesting, but yer protesting what you want to and not what I want you to."
People have been protesting. Filling the streets by the thousands, picketing buildings, boycotting businesses, holding signs and shouting protest for the whole world to hear. They've been doing that constantly all across the country for years. You know what it got them? Dick!
The people being protested just have so much money, so much power, and so few shits to give that they can not only sit out any protest but can take control of the narrative to make themselves the victim and the protestors a violent anti-American mob. How many times have we seen that happen?
Since most of us are against throwing Molotovs or electing Madame Guillotine, we need to find a new way. Yeah, social media activism isn't working either, but at least people are trying something.
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So, Amy Klobuchar is doing a Fox News Town Hall almost identical to the one Sanders did a while back.
What's not identical?
The talk about how it kneecaps the party. The talk about how her doing it undercuts a united Democratic Party front.
Not exactly a shock, but worth noting.
Don't believe we are really on the same page here.
I'm suggesting that I don't really accept that the numbers are on the level. To me, they are likely one more lie from a guy who lies about his numbers almost every time. While that he might have lost a boatload of money could be completely on the level, it could be just one more scam from a guy that has certainly been involved in scams.
Trump administration seeks to target nationwide injunctions
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...e-injunctions/
Vice President Mike Pence said Wednesday that the Trump administration intends to try to challenge the right of federal district courts to issue nationwide injunctions.
In a speech at the Federalist Society conference in Washington, Pence argued that nationwide injunctions issued by federal judges “prevent the executive branch from acting, compromising our national security by obstructing the lawful ability of the president to stop threats to the homeland where he sees them.”
He said the administration will seek opportunities to put this question before the Supreme Court “to ensure that decisions affecting every American are made either by those elected to represent the American people or by the highest court in the land.”
Top administration officials have often complained about the proliferation of nationwide injunctions since Trump became president on issues ranging from immigration to health care, so the idea of pushing back is not new.
People feeling connected to the global community is a good thing, no?
Whether an idea is fringe is based on how many people believe it. Obviously, some fringe ideas are accurate. However, we can't take it for granted that others believe it, or be frustrated they haven't reached the same conclusion.
Do you think when Mueller testifies to the House, he'll say that major parts of the report dealing with Russian connections to political donations were redacted?
If it were true, it wouldn't be meaningful. A book review decades ago doesn't cover fully what we know now, and represents the opinion of one person, rather than a larger editorial position.
The book itself also wasn't praised in the New York Times review. The review starts with "It is odd that an impresario whose projects are noted for unabashed excitement has produced such an ungripping account of recovery from the brink of ruin."
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/14/b...ultPosition=18
I am unaware of Trump referring to white nationalists as "very fine" people. He did explicitly say that white nationalists should be condemned totally.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sides-remarks/
As for whether retweets establish him as a white nationalist, it depends on what he retweeted. Racist housing policies is a problem but equating it with white nationalism is inaccurate.
Trump's a bad enough President that his critics don't need to make stuff up.
That was wrong, but not necessarily white nationalist.
Sincerely,
Thomas Mets
It depends. The argument is that because of the sheer amount of data available it's easier to find a "global community" that serves atomized interests i.e. echo chambers. Additionally, some people have access to information but haven't developed the skills to think critically, or properly source what they read.
"Virtual connectedness" allows for complacency. The example the video used was people closer to the west, specifically western media broadcasts, during the cold war got a taste of life on the other side of the wall and we're generally more complacent under communism then people who didn't have access Western media, who just had to deal with the general sh***ness of it with no outlet.
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Pull List:
Marvel Comics: Venom, X-Men, Black Panther, Captain America, Eternals, Warhammer 40000.
DC Comics: The Last God
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Honestly, I think temporarily causing a media blackout or hijacking various media streams would be the best way to do it.
Sit-ins, marches, etc worked in the past because they inconvenienced people.
Televised riots and carrying the bodies home from Vietnam worked because of a media bottleneck in the form of network TV.
So, to get the same effect now, cause a bottleneck and funnel it to a pirate stream. Everyone is on the internet or checking Facebook. Take that away or Max Headroom their feed, even if its only temporarily.
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Pull List:
Marvel Comics: Venom, X-Men, Black Panther, Captain America, Eternals, Warhammer 40000.
DC Comics: The Last God
Image: Decorum
Might be because nobody heard about it or knows who she is. Sanders is a big name and his townhall was highly publicized, Klobuchar is a name only known to the kind of people that spend their evenings on political forums. Or maybe it's just that Sanders showed you can go on Fox News without being drowned out by conspiracy theories and hate mongering. Things are always easier when you know they're possible.
Also, I don't really think most people think of Klobuchar as anything but an also-ran.
Pull List:
Marvel Comics: Venom, X-Men, Black Panther, Captain America, Eternals, Warhammer 40000.
DC Comics: The Last God
Image: Decorum
I'm not "frustrated" about anything, Mets, so stop projecting -- at this point I'm used to your use of "slippery slope" arguments only when it serves your purpose (immigration, abortion, gerrymandering, etc), and arguments of "plausible deniability" whenever the facts aren't in your favor, especially on matters of white supremacy and the like within the Republican party.
Which is why I (repeatedly) say it's useless to "debate" you -- I was just pointing out that Trump is not a "weird centrist" as you try to claim. He is a corrupt far-right race-baiting demogogue -- one your party has ushered into power and now defends at every turn to the detriment of our nation as a whole.
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I think too many people are still waiting on that singular watershed moment that will change everything for the better. Democrats need to learn from the Republicans and start playing the long game, training up people to be professional agitators with a lifelong commitment to their cause, not a bunch of milquetoast dilettantes who go through an activist phase in youth but assume that winning one election means their job is done. I'm not sure if this is really possible though, the reason the GOP is so committed to their policies is precisely because they know that they didn't earn any of what they currently have and so they must abandon all principle and do whatever it takes to preserve their privileges, whereas too many liberals are still deluded enough to believe that they can beat the system with clever thinking and positivity, despite all the evidence to the contrary. One of the worst things that could happen is if the Democrats manage to beat Trump in 2020 with some lame moderate candidate, so that everyone can believe that everything is fine again.
I dunno...I think we can point to a number of times when protesting has succeeded ( even for causes we might disagree with). Not every protest is successful and even the ones that are aren't successful instantly ( many that years), but I don't think we should say that no one has gotten anything from protesting.