All Purpose News and Politics Thread Part IV: The Center Cannot Hold

[Tuck]

Look; I live in Indiana. My Democratic Party is trash. [. . .] If I stay home, my state votes for Trump. If I vote, my state votes for Trump. That said, next year, I'm voting for a Democrat... unless John Gregg runs again, at which point, I WILL write in a candidate for governor and post it on social media.

Indiana went for Obama in 08. It's low odds, but possible. Your vote can absolutely matter in Indiana. I'm in New York. I can vote for Santa Claus for all the effect it would have on a Presidential election.

[Tami]

What are you afraid Sanders will do if he becomes President? What is this fear and what is it based on?

I think fear about Sanders is generated by the right, who have owned the game of politics so completely since the 90s. The GOP has become what it is now because of weaklings like Bill Clinton who just caved them into and gave them almost everything they wanted and got nothing for it. The GOP has been so coddled by a weak opposition, that they think they can get away with anything, only a strong opposition can oppose them.

My opinion of Sanders is based solely on what I saw him do in 2016, what I have read in legit news reports, and his actions since then.

My negative view of him began with his trip to the Vatican, and it's been downhill since then. It was made clear that he is in this for himself, no one else.

He is an old man stuck in the 60's. His carer was lackluster, his ideas unoriginal, and his methods questionable.

Why didn't he try to run for President 20 or 30 years ago? Why did he wait so long? Was it that he didn't think he stood a chance against other male politicians,so he jumped at the chance to run against a female one thinking she'd be easy to take down? I am surprised he is running again this time. His poll number keeping dropping and dropping.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I think Sanders dives in the Far Left side of the Pool every so often, but I know Warren has described herself as Capitalist. Putting it simply, I trust Warren not to go off the deep end and to give any policy she initiates the careful thought and consideration it deserves.

I won't say the same about Sanders.

Sanders and Warren both have nearly the same policies on everything but foreign policy. And Sanders would have to go many magnitudes of degrees to “go off the deep end”. This is more you not realizing how right wing we are compared to the world.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

My opinion of Sanders is based solely on what I saw him do in 2016, what I have read in legit news reports, and his actions since then.

My negative view of him began with his trip to the Vatican, and it's been downhill since then. It was made clear that he is in this for himself, no one else.

He is an old man stuck in the 60's. His carer was lackluster, his ideas unoriginal, and his methods questionable.

Why didn't he try to run for President 20 or 30 years ago? Why did he wait so long? Was it that he didn't think he stood a chance against other male politicians,so he jumped at the chance to run against a female one thinking she'd be easy to take down? I am surprised he is running again this time. His poll number keeping dropping and dropping.

You do realize it’s pretty well established he begged Warren to run against Clinton right? Then when she didn’t he jumped in to push the dialogue. He wasn’t expecting to win. Everyone knew it was hers to lose. Him gaining traction had more to do with the left being desperate for an alternative.

This fake Sanders is sexist thing is kinda gross

[JackDaw]

Warren's and Sanders's campaigns are pretty standard Democratic fare for anyone from FDR through Dukakis.

The DLC screwed up everyone's perception.

As an outsider, I think if I was an American democrat, I think I would be disappointed with the Clinton, Sanders, Biden generation for two main reasons.

First they haven’t been ambitious enough in changes they tried to make when they were in the prime. They went the route Tony Blair went in UK..they went for small safe improvements in areas like health and tax policy.

The second..they should accept their days in the sun have ended...they should be busy campaigning for younger more dynamic Democrats, rather than still seeking top job for themselves.

[Tuck]

As an outsider, I think if I was an American democrat, I think I would be disappointed with the Clinton, Sanders, Biden generation for two main reasons.

First they haven’t been ambitious enough in changes they tried to make when they were in the prime. They went the route Tony Blair went in UK..they went for small safe improvements in areas like health and tax policy.

The second..they should accept their days in the sun have ended...they should be busy campaigning for younger more dynamic Democrats, rather than still seeking top job for themselves.

If anything, Sanders has the opposite problem of Clinton, in that his refusal to budge much from his positions has left him with a generally ineffective career in the Senate.

And, just to be a nudge, technically Clinton is a Baby Boomer, and Biden and Sanders are members of the Silent Generation. It was a huge deal when Clinton became the first Boomer president.

[numberthirty]

My opinion of Sanders is based solely on what I saw him do in 2016, what I have read in legit news reports, and his actions since then.

My negative view of him began with his trip to the Vatican, and it's been downhill since then. It was made clear that he is in this for himself, no one else.

He is an old man stuck in the 60's. His carer was lackluster, his ideas unoriginal, and his methods questionable.

Why didn't he try to run for President 20 or 30 years ago? Why did he wait so long? Was it that he didn't think he stood a chance against other male politicians,so he jumped at the chance to run against a female one thinking she'd be easy to take down? I am surprised he is running again this time. His poll number keeping dropping and dropping.

Something to always keep in mind when it comes to that...

This is the guy that Senate Democrats went to after the party dropped the ball in 2016.

[Iron Maiden]

Watching AM Joy, and some points being made

1. No place in a jail cell where something could be tied to set up a hanging.
2. Prison under the DOJ, William Barr's DOJ, Donald Trump's DOJ.
3. Why wasn't he watched? Bill Cosby is being watched in his jail every 15 minutes.
4. Where is the footage? Why isn't there videos of Epstein in jail.
5. Who took him off of suicide watch?

Trumpifiles are Tweeting about Clinton, but it's Trump and the DOJ that had access to him.

Yeah, I saw how one of them is a Trump appointment to head HUD's New York and New Jersey region by the name of Lynne Patton. She has such impressive qualifications as working on The Apprentice, as an event planner for Trump family and helps run the Eric Trump foundation.

I suppose it could be incompetence like Mets says. But IMO it's just way too convenient that Epstein dies just after being removed from suicide watch and your example of Cosby makes things even more suspicious to me. Was his cell was monitored via camera? Inmates have used articles of clothing to hang themselves but if the room is just a bare bone cell, than how?

[The Overlord]

My opinion of Sanders is based solely on what I saw him do in 2016, what I have read in legit news reports, and his actions since then.

My negative view of him began with his trip to the Vatican, and it's been downhill since then. It was made clear that he is in this for himself, no one else.

He is an old man stuck in the 60's. His carer was lackluster, his ideas unoriginal, and his methods questionable.

Why didn't he try to run for President 20 or 30 years ago? Why did he wait so long? Was it that he didn't think he stood a chance against other male politicians,so he jumped at the chance to run against a female one thinking she'd be easy to take down? I am surprised he is running again this time. His poll number keeping dropping and dropping.

How old is Biden? How old is Warren? Heck how old was Hiliary when she ran?

Sanders tried to get Warren to run in 2016, she didn't, so he ran instead.

Most left wingers do not dislike Clinton because she is a woman, they dislike her for her center right record, if she had a better record, left wingers would not dislike her. The left wing opposition to Clinton is due to ideology, not sexism. If left wingers are so sexist, why do they support the squad, while the corporate Dems tried to throw the squad under the bus for a while?

It's no surprise that Warren is the first or second choice for most left wingers.

Can you think of anything Sanders would do that is as bad as what Trump is doing now? What if Biden becomes President and keeps the ICE camps open to "reach across the aisle"?

As an outsider, I think if I was an American democrat, I think I would be disappointed with the Clinton, Sanders, Biden generation for two main reasons.

First they haven’t been ambitious enough in changes they tried to make when they were in the prime. They went the route Tony Blair went in UK..they went for small safe improvements in areas like health and tax policy.

The second..they should accept their days in the sun have ended...they should be busy campaigning for younger more dynamic Democrats, rather than still seeking top job for themselves.

The problem is most of the young people running for the Dems are like Blair, it's only older peope like Sanders or Warren who push for real change.

I would love it if you had a young person with Bernie's ideas running, but you don't have that, so those are the choices.

[Malvolio]

Tony Perkins continues to spew hate and bigotry while remaining a fixture of the Republican Party in baffling ways. He views the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” as the beginning of a generational war on Christians. In October of 2017, he actually blamed the increase in military sexual assault on… wait for it… straight men in the service being too threatened by gays and lesbians being allowed to serve along side them.

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Moving on… and this should come as no surprise… Tony Perkins is a motherf***ing hypocrite. It would be one thing if all we had to report was how he defended Roy Moore during his campaign for Senate even while for years Moore was noted as a homophobe, bigot, and general crazy person, but to dig in and defend him after he was outed as a serial pedophile?

But no, that’s not all. After spending almost a decade commenting about how Barack Obama wasn’t truly a Christian, and promoting the myth that he was some stealth-Jihad member or something, Tony Perkins decided that he couldn’t question the faith of Donald Trump, and awarded him a “mulligan” after it was revealed Trump had an affair with a porn star after his wife had given birth to their son. That isn’t a one-off, either, because when Perkins was cornered about his double standard, he dug in and insisted he and other Evangelical Christians would not be confronting Trump over his affair with Stormy Daniels (to say nothing of the multiple other women who Trump had affairs with, and signed hush agreements with). By June of 2019, this fanatic was participating in “National Day of Prayer” events to get as many Evangelicals together and use their deepest supposedly-holy influence to pray for Donald Trump to resist the evil Deep State. No, really, the website for the event had that written on it.

So… let’s just do a quick rundown of some (but not all) of Perkins’ more deranged moments from the past year:

• September 25th, 2018: Perkins reacts to Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony at the confirmation hearings for Brett Kavanaugh to be a Supreme Court Justice by claiming he was being “railroaded because of the constitutionalism he stands for”.
• February 1st, 2019: Tony Perkins sends out a letter through the Family Research Council asking his followers to sign an online pledge to commit to “pray against impeachment” on behalf of Donald Trump.
• May 24th, 2019: Perkins reacts to news of events where drag queens are reading to children by yelling, “That’s my child, I bought them into the world. Get your hands off!” and that fathers should go to the events and “flip some tables” because it’s that easy to threaten Tony Perkins’ masculinity.
• May 30th, 2019: Tony Perkins blames Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky for why Clinton could not have had Osama bin Laden killed prior to 9/11. Seriously.

And again, for whatever reason, this homophobic, theocratic douchebag with ties to genocidal maniacs and White Supremacists was allowed to help write the Republican Party Platform in 2016. We again would like to thank the website Right Wing Watch for helping us keep tabs on the ugliest moments to come from Tony Perkins and his Family Research Council but reiterate we cannot state how insane it is that a man with ties to multiple hate groups, who runs his own, and is now embracing the Alt-Right media wing of the GOP is allowed to help write the GOP Party Platform every four years. The Republican Party not only lets Tony Perkins help shape their policy behind the scenes, they treat him as a strong endorsement and voice from their Evangelical wing. In reality, he’s a festering boil they should have lanced over a decade ago.

No surprise that it's so easy to threaten Perkins' masculinity. I mean, he shares a name with a homosexual actor whose most iconic role is that of a cross-dressing killer. He probably feels a need to correct people every day by telling them, "No! I'm not THAT Tony Perkins!"

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

As an outsider, I think if I was an American democrat, I think I would be disappointed with the Clinton, Sanders, Biden generation for two main reasons.

First they haven’t been ambitious enough in changes they tried to make when they were in the prime. They went the route Tony Blair went in UK..they went for small safe improvements in areas like health and tax policy.

The second..they should accept their days in the sun have ended...they should be busy campaigning for younger more dynamic Democrats, rather than still seeking top job for themselves.

Warren’s been a politician for one Senate term

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

He wasn’t on suicide watch. Literally everyone predicted this ****.

[BeastieRunner]

He wasn’t on suicide watch. Literally everyone predicted this ****.

"His death came less than three weeks after he was found unresponsive in his cell at the federal prison in Lower Manhattan, with marks on his neck that appeared to be self-inflicted, sources told ABC News. He was placed on suicide watch following the July 23 incident via information obtained from the FBI's memo this morning."

Epstein doesn't get to face the music now.

Fucking coward.

[Tami]

It's good to have additional information, however my opinion of Sanders hasn't and won't change. I will say that, if by some miracle he wins the Primary, I won't rule out voting for him just to get rid of Trump.

[SquirrelMan]

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has an 18 percent job approval rating in Kentucky, according to a new survey.

A Public Policy Polling survey found just 18 percent of respondents approve of the job McConnell is doing, compared with 74 percent who disapprove.

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