All Purpose News and Politics Thread Part IV: The Center Cannot Hold

[shooshoomanjoe]

I don't know how true it is but today someone made a comment on breitbart.com that says that Trump can order the census forms to be printed with the question and the Supreme Court can't do anything about it.

Also Trump can suspend habeas corpus and use the military to round up the invaders and deport them. But of course this would seem harsh and the media would have a field day if Trump label the migrants invaders. But president Lincoln did it in 1863 but he didn't have to deal with the internet and 24/7 media coverage back then.

Imo the Democrats are the ones most responsible for the crisis on the border. When Bill Clinton signed NAFTA alot of the manufacturing jobs went to Mexico. And when those manufacturing jobs left small, rural towns their economy was devastated and they had to do something to feel the void. And what they came up with are private prisons and detention centers. But the kick is that when these private prisons were built they imprisoned 80 percent of the local residents in the community where the prison was built. And of course most were Black. And the detention centers are built to house the migrants who are lured to America for jobs. My heart really do go out to those migrants who end up in those detention centers when all they wanted was a job. But Bill Clinton lured them here along with some Republicans of course to fill up beds and boost the economy of rural towns devastated by the loss of manufacturing jobs...

But there is hope. Private/Public Partnerships is a good way to fill the economic void once those private prisons goes away because over time a number of them had closed. A Privated/Public partnership was something rapper Nipsey Hussle tried to accomplished in Compton, California thanks to Trump's investment in Urban communities. But because Private Prisons provide good jobs for African Americans the political will is not often there to close them down. This is why more private/public partnerships are needed to show people a better way.

You think immigration from Mexico began with Clinton? Man, the far right really do live with alternative facts.

[Wakeneuron]

You think immigration from Mexico began with Clinton? Man, the far right really do live with alternative facts.

I'm not a Republican. I just think that the Democrats are being a tiny bit hypocritical. They want to blame Trump for the crisis on the border but they wholeheartedly are endorsing Socialism. Socialism is what brought down the Venezuela government. And when Venezuela went down they cut off all aid to Nicaragua. And then because of that the Nicaraguan government had to cut back on some of it's public services like social security. And then when the Nicaraguan people protested in mass the government clapped down killing hundreds of protestors and devastating Nicaraguan's economy. So now many more migrants from Nicaragua are coming to the United States indirectly because of socialism which is being endorsed by all the Democrats.

I'm not a fan of capitalism also. I think that the United States messed up when they allowed the Federal Reserve control the flow of money in the United States.

[Theleviathan]

This Harris/Biden busing thing just refuses to go away.

Her debate performance was fantastic, but the more depth we get on her positions the more she starts to crumble.

[Theleviathan]

I'm not a Republican

But you read the comments on Breitbart?

[Tendrin]

Justin Amash has quit the GOP.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

[Kirby101]

I'm not a Republican. I just think that the Democrats are being a tiny bit hypocritical. They want to blame Trump for the crisis on the border but they wholeheartedly are endorsing Socialism. Socialism is what brought down the Venezuela government. And when Venezuela went down they cut off all aid to Nicaragua. And then because of that the Nicaraguan government had to cut back on some of it's public services like social security. And then when the Nicaraguan people protested in mass the government clapped down killing hundreds of protestors and devastating Nicaraguan's economy. So now many more migrants from Nicaragua are coming to the United States indirectly because of socialism which is being endorsed by all the Democrats.

I'm not a fan of capitalism also. I think that the United States messed up when they allowed the Federal Reserve control the flow of money in the United States.

I am not going to waste my fingers explaining it to you. But a Social Democracy, as practiced in most of Europe and to a less extent here in the US is not the same as Socialism (for which they are really talking about Communism).
But the Right refuses to acknowledge that and keeps the boogeyman alive.
Having a totally corrupt head of State is what brought down Venezuela, there is the scarier similarity.

[Tendrin]

I am not going to waste my fingers explaining it to you. But a Social Democracy, as practiced in most of Europe and to a less extent here in the US is not the same as Socialism (for which they are really talking about Communism).
But the Right refuses to acknowledge that and keeps the boogeyman alive.
Having a totally corrupt head of State is what brought down Venezuela, there is the scarier similarity.

...to say nothing of a huge host of other factors, but hey, this guy is totally not a republican even as he parrots every far-right talking point on the list without an original contribution, right down to the racism of calling asylum seeking migrants 'invaders'.

[JackDaw]

I am not going to waste my fingers explaining it to you. But a Social Democracy, as practiced in most of Europe and to a less extent here in the US is not the same as Socialism (for which they are really talking about Communism).
But the Right refuses to acknowledge that and keeps the boogeyman alive.
Having a totally corrupt head of State is what brought down Venezuela, there is the scarier similarity.

Yes. I think most Western European states have a mix of public and private enterprise and it works quite well, almost certainly better than "pure" capitalism or "pure" communism.

Being an increasingly ancient Brit I have lived through an era when Mrs Thatcher radically altered mix of public and private enterprise, moving large organisations from public to private control (e.g. British Telecommunications, Water, Gas, Electricity, British Rail, Post Office all moved from public to private).

To some extent I think parts of the re-balancing was a success (e.g. I think moving British Telecoms into private sector was good)...but I think a mix of private and public sectors does work really well.

(Over the years I have worked for both private and publicly controlled organisations...and have worked for really good private and really good public firms...and really poorly managed organisations in both sectors.)

[Kirby101]

This one's for mets' "measured discussion".
The Shame of Our Border Cruelty

Thinking about whether middle America is ready for a more welcoming immigration policy while state-sponsored torture is occurring would be like wondering about the political practicalities of busing while the bodies of the three civil rights workers in Mississippi during Freedom Summer were exhumed, or the four little girls at the church in Birmingham, Alabama. The state is carrying out a sadistic fantasy, repressing Hispanic men, women, and children for sport. They’re doing it intentionally, with purpose and glee. The primary question, the only question worth asking, is what those in power, and those of us with only the power to enter the streets, are going to do about it.

[Tami]

Justin Amash has quit the GOP.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

Good for him. I may be a Democrat, but I recognize that the Independents are growing in numbers and are going to be a force one way or another.

[heretic]

Russia Warns U.S. Politicians Against Blaming It for Anything During 2020 Race

If Trump loses, the relationship is pretty battered anyway.

[heretic]

I'm not a Republican. I just think that the Democrats are being a tiny bit hypocritical. They want to blame Trump for the crisis on the border but they wholeheartedly are endorsing Socialism. Socialism is what brought down the Venezuela government. And when Venezuela went down they cut off all aid to Nicaragua. And then because of that the Nicaraguan government had to cut back on some of it's public services like social security. And then when the Nicaraguan people protested in mass the government clapped down killing hundreds of protestors and devastating Nicaraguan's economy. So now many more migrants from Nicaragua are coming to the United States indirectly because of socialism which is being endorsed by all the Democrats.

Declares self 'Not a Republican'

Draws classic Republican Talking Points linking Democratic Party to Hugo Chavez's trainwreck of an administration... then claims because of those links that they share blame for fall of Venezuelan economy which led to asylum seekers from Nicaragua whom the US government must cage.

Am I missing anything?

[Tendrin]

Good for him. I may be a Democrat, but I recognize that the Independents are growing in numbers and are going to be a force one way or another.

I mean, he's still a raging douchebag who helped deliver us to this point but at least WBE gets to maybe retire his profile? :P

[Tami]

I mean, he's still a raging douchebag who helped deliver us to this point but at least WBE gets to maybe retire his profile? :P

Well, perhaps WBE should start doing it for Independents on Independence Day like he does fro Democrats on April Fools day.

[Sacred Knight]

On this 4th of July, a quote from the ending of Superman II, which hopefully in due time would be a quote I'd like to apply in terms of American goodwill and civility to all men and women.

"Sorry I've been away so long. I won't let you down again."

Aha, bless youtube