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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    You got the fool part right in an otherwise laughable demonstration of comprehension deficits. So kudos on only being 98% obtuse in that post! Progress!
    So you don't mistrust the cops then? You sure had me fooled

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    Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because impeachment ‘is about to destroy this nation’

    I thought they all already signed a Loyalty Oath, one to the Constitution and to the Country.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Wednesday tried to derail the possible impeachment of President Donald Trump by asking Senate Republicans to sign a loyalty oath.

    “I’m going to ask my colleagues in the Senate — Republicans — to sign a letter saying we do not believe the transcript of the phone call between the president and the Ukraine is an impeachable offense,” Graham told Fox News.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    So you don't mistrust the cops then? You sure had me fooled
    I mistrust them until the alternative (botched hit or masterstroke of framing) reaches Lizard People levels of absurdity. But I have explained that repeatedly.

    This case doesnt warrant continued skepticism unless something comes along making the alternatives far less implausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because impeachment ‘is about to destroy this nation’

    I thought they all already signed a Loyalty Oath, one to the Constitution and to the Country.
    And this is after Grouchy Graham bitched about Trump throwing the Kurds under the bus and letting Turkey run over them several times. I guess that was all for show. What a pathetic, buttmunching hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    I mistrust them until the alternative (botched hit or masterstroke of framing) reaches Lizard People levels of absurdity. But I have explained that repeatedly.

    This case doesnt warrant continued skepticism unless something comes along making the alternatives far less implausible.
    That is your opinion, and the point I've been trying to make repeatedly is just because someone disagrees with it doesn't make them believers of a Lizard People conspiracy. You disagree with that point obviously.

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    I think I have said before that I have friends in the police force, yet I've seen firsthand incompetence & corruption. The demonization of police departments is an extreme stance to take, yet when you consider what requirements many departments require new recruits to be, that they train almost exclusively that any situation will escalate into hostility regardless of whomever you deal with (don't believe me? Look up films such as "Surviving Edged Weapons", which while I find hilarious from an unintended dark comedy standpoint, don't actively parlay real world situations as a whole), and fund almost exclusively for SWAT or tactical purposes instead of substance or mental health problems, not to mention existing issues of relying on the poor to fund the rich... no wonder plenty of people have a natural distrust for law enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    That is your opinion, and the point I've been trying to make repeatedly is just because someone disagrees with it doesn't make them believers of a Lizard People conspiracy. You disagree with that point obviously.
    Then you havent considered what would have to happen to pull off a setup. It is preposterous. Try considering the layers of danger and vulnerability this plan would have as a hit gone wrong. Like how no one talked about the setup even after one got shot. Or why they had three people in on the hit. (Every person is a loose end. Exponentially so after it went wrong) How it happened in a relativrly public place. How it happened immediately after the trial while public awareness was high. And most ridiculous? How you plan to pay them for the hit and somehow pivot to getting to accept murder charges without talking. It is Lizaerd People level.

    And that's the more plausible scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because impeachment ‘is about to destroy this nation’

    I thought they all already signed a Loyalty Oath, one to the Constitution and to the Country.
    I doubt they will do so, but Graham needs to be censured merely for bringing this up.
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    Turkey is mounting the biggest troop deployment in the area since the 1970s.

    It's looking like a full scale invasion now.

    Trump gets his WWIII now ... sigh ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    And this is after Grouchy Graham bitched about Trump throwing the Kurds under the bus and letting Turkey run over them several times. I guess that was all for show. What a pathetic, buttmunching hypocrite.
    I knew Graham would quickly pivot back to defending Trump after shedding his crocodile tears for the Kurds the other day.

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    CNN Exclusive: Turkey says Trump knew ‘precisely’ about scope of N. Syria operation. “President Trump and President Erdogan have reached an understanding over precisely what this operation is,” Gulnur Aybet, Senior Adviser to the President of Turkey told @camanpour
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because impeachment ‘is about to destroy this nation’

    I thought they all already signed a Loyalty Oath, one to the Constitution and to the Country.
    It's not really a loyalty oath. It allows for anyone who signs it to vote to impeach Trump if Democrats or anyone else turn up new damning evidence of Trump’s conduct, be it something that wasn't in the transcript or an unrelated matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    If someone is saying the cops have framed three people for murder, it would be relevant that one of the three seems to be offering corroborating testimony.

    If you see this as equivalent to Giuliani's crazier comments, that tarnishes the criticisms of Giuliani.
    Yes, because all confessions are true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    I know being obnoxious is your schtick but I literally posted last page that police deserve mistrust. The "I trust police 100%" are stupid. So is sitting on the opposite side of that. You are literally demonstrating my point.

    Regardless of your political views it is dangerous and foolish to abandon truth for political favoritism. Reading this police report of his death and immediately going to "fuck the police" is being intentionally stupid.
    Dalak is actually one of the more civil posters. People disagreeing with your naive trust in cops is not "being obnoxious."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    Then you havent considered what would have to happen to pull off a setup. It is preposterous. Try considering the layers of danger and vulnerability this plan would have as a hit gone wrong. Like how no one talked about the setup even after one got shot. Or why they had three people in on the hit. (Every person is a loose end. Exponentially so after it went wrong) How it happened in a relativrly public place. How it happened immediately after the trial while public awareness was high. And most ridiculous? How you plan to pay them for the hit and somehow pivot to getting to accept murder charges without talking. It is Lizaerd People level.

    And that's the more plausible scenario.
    This would also have to be a situation in which multiple cops agree to participate in a murder and/ or framing someone else (and getting those people largely on-board) for a very public crime.

    If one person who is asked to participate in a risky and moral endeavor goes to either the media or the authorities, the rest go to jail.

    Even if you have a bunch of scumbags in a police department willing to commit murder and trusting others around them to feel the same way, there is always the possibility that someone under investigation for another offense (it would seem unlikely for a group of cops to engage in this level of criminality for the first and only time) will go to the authorities to make a plea deal. In which case, the rest still go to jail.

    So the level of risk is extraordinary.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    Yes, because all confessions are true.
    I never said that all confessions are true. That doesn't make the existence of a given confession meaningless, especially absent any allegation that it was obtained through sketchy means.

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