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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHA! Touche!

    Meanwhile, I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but the irony of the Ukraine Debacle is that it didn't have to happen, especially when you consider that Joe Biden isn't even the Democratic nominee for president. If Trump tried this strong arm scheme a year from now after Biden got the nomination (if he got it, god only knows what could happen over the next twelve months), it would almost make sense, but today? More proof that Trump is just a colossal bungler arrogant enough and stupid enough to believe he could get away with anything. All he wound up doing with that stunt was to force Nancy Pelosi's hand since she had little to no appetite for impeachment hearings. I saw this on Facebook last night, a quote attributed to Woodrow Wilson about the current mess Trump got himself into: "Never attempt to murder a man who is committing suicide", Trump was that man, but he made Pelosi pump a round in his head after he slit his wrists.
    I think he is pulling a page from Nixon. Nixon's tricks moved the nomination from Musky to McGovern, who he thoaugh was an easier candidate to beat. I think Trump wants to squash Biden's campaign and go against Warren.
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    Federal Prosecutors Join Trump to Block a Subpoena Seeking His Tax Returns

    The William Barr Law Firm (AKA DOJ) is at it again

    (NEW YORK) — Federal prosecutors are joining President Donald Trump in asking a federal judge in New York to temporarily block a state court grand jury subpoena seeking his tax returns.

    They say in papers filed late Tuesday in Manhattan federal court that Trump has raised “weighty constitutional issues” in trying to stop the subpoena and they want to review them and decide whether to join the fight.

    “To the extent that enforcement of the subpoena may adversely affect federal interests of constitutional dimension, those effects could not be redressed after the fact,” the prosecutors said in asking for a “short stay of the subpoena’s enforcement.”

    Prosecutors say they could inform the judge by next Tuesday whether they intend to join Trump’s quest to block his longtime accountant from complying with the subpoena, which stems from a criminal probe.
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    Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick Doubles Down on Expanded Background Checks Amidst Opposition from Texas GOP

    On Monday, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick reiterated his calls for a “discussion” on background checks to cover private, so-called “stranger-to-stranger” transactions through a series of radio appearances.

    His defense of proposing the policy comes after pushback from conservatives.

    A week before Saturday, the Texas State Republican Executive Committee voted unanimously to approve a resolution condemning expanded background checks (EBCs) of the sort suggested by Patrick.

    Last Friday, former state representative Matt Rinaldi wrote an article contending that Patrick — not Beto O’Rourke who has essentially called for outright confiscation — “poses the biggest threat to Texas gun owners.”

    Early Monday morning on the Mark Davis Show, Patrick defended his record on gun rights, boasting about his high ratings from the NRA and that he has consistently supported pro-Second Amendment legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I think he is pulling a page from Nixon. Nixon's tricks moved the nomination from Musky to McGovern, who he thoaugh was an easier candidate to beat. I think Trump wants to squash Biden's campaign and go against Warren.
    This is just me, but if that's the strategy, it could backfire on Trump. Everyone saw during the 2016 presidential debates how Hillary Clinton flustered Trump, and Warren is easily twice the pitbull Clinton is. On top of that, Warren would have added motivation to rip the Donald to shreds from his "Pocahontas" insults to her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    The GOP's fanaticism to protect Trump continues to amaze me. Oh, sure, I know the reason why, keeping Trump in office keeps them in power while allowing Moscow Mitch to stack the courts with right wing ideologues. Still, all that devotion to a man who'd shove the whole fucking party under the nearest Greyhound in a New York minute to save his own skin is absolutely astonishing. Now, should a Democrat win the election and he (or she) chooses not to release his (or her) tax returns, lets see how Republicans act then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHA! Touche!

    Meanwhile, I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but the irony of the Ukraine Debacle is that it didn't have to happen, especially when you consider that Joe Biden isn't even the Democratic nominee for president. If Trump tried this strong arm scheme a year from now after Biden got the nomination (if he got it, god only knows what could happen over the next twelve months), it would almost make sense, but today? More proof that Trump is just a colossal bungler arrogant enough and stupid enough to believe he could get away with anything. All he wound up doing with that stunt was to force Nancy Pelosi's hand since she had little to no appetite for impeachment hearings. I saw this on Facebook last night, a quote attributed to Woodrow Wilson about the current mess Trump got himself into: "Never attempt to murder a man who is committing suicide", Trump was that man, but he made Pelosi pump a round in his head after he slit his wrists.
    Elizabeth Warren is leading Biden in the polls. That seems to be the outcome Trump wants as she polls worse and hasn't done that well compared to the party running for statewide office in Massachusetts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    Impeachment was not meant to be a non-binding statement. It was meant to be a process to remove from office someone who has committed crimes. And just as with any prosecutor, you don't begin proceedings until you feel you have a good chance of getting a conviction.
    That's precisely why I'm not rejoicing about this. The accused has pretty much bought off the entire jury and he's over there cackling and mocking the court. Sure, the judge and the prosecutor mean well and they have a good case....but dammit if that asshole doesn't look like this is exactly what he wants because he already knows he'll never be found guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    Impeachment was not meant to be a non-binding statement. It was meant to be a process to remove from office someone who has committed crimes. And just as with any prosecutor, you don't begin proceedings until you feel you have a good chance of getting a conviction.
    That's just it, though. This bar will never be reached. A video could come out showing Trump sexually assaulting a minor and the Senate STILL WOULDN'T CONVICT! The impeachment process will allow for more facts to be revealed about Trump. If doing so doesn't convince the feckless masses to come to the polls next November, or even aids conservatives to win, then this steaming pile of shit we call America deserves him!
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    Even notes on the call look terrible.

    The White House’s version of the call appears to contain notes that constitute a “memorandum” of the telephone conversation between the two leaders.

    Trump referenced “Rudy,” the memorandum shows, and asks Zelensky to “speak with him.”

    Trump also references “a lot of talk about Biden’s son.” He goes on to tell Zelensky, the memorandum says, that “Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that.”

    Trump goes on to say that “whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.”

    Zelensky replied that the chief prosecutor he then intended to appoint would be “100% my person.” The Ukrainian president added: “He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue.”

    Read the White House’s record of the call below:
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...aine-president

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    He’s so dumb he incriminated himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    He’s so dumb he incriminated himself
    I think it's more his Ego but his idiocy is definitely involved. Of course Rudy's in the same boat.

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    It doesn't matter they released it because they will have support saying see its fine.

    So what if I withheld 391 million in allotted aid money to Ukraine days before this call. To clearly be used as intimidation while he asks the Ukrainian President to "do us a favor" and work with his personal lawyer Rudy and the Barr to investigate his chief rival.

    I mean talk about conflict of interest. What the hell is Rudy doing involved in this? He is a personal lawyer, with all the bias that entails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    I'm so confident this will backfire I'll bet you money if you want?

    Edit - Word of warning before you do. I've correctly predicted the outcome of every national election for twenty-five years.
    Impeaching Clinton only backfired on Republicans in theory (opinion polls). They went on to win the White House for 8 years and made big gains in Congress, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Even notes on the call look terrible.



    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...aine-president
    It's still just a summery, however, if the Complaint and full transcript (unedited, unfiltered) contains at least this much, it will also contain a whole lot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidfresh512 View Post
    It doesn't matter they released it because they will have support saying see its fine.

    So what if I withheld 391 million in allotted aid money to Ukraine days before this call. To clearly be used as intimidation while he asks the Ukrainian President to "do us a favor" and work with his personal lawyer Rudy and the Barr to investigate his chief rival.

    I mean talk about conflict of interest. What the hell is Rudy doing involved in this? He is a personal lawyer, with all the bias that entails.
    They'll defend him like they always have, until it becomes apparent to them that they have to throw him under the bus or go down with the ship. Trump's core supporters will never abandon him, but if the rest of the reliable GoP voters turn on them they will flip on him faster than a tweet can go viral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    They'll defend him like they always have, until it becomes apparent to them that they have to throw him under the bus or go down with the ship. Trump's core supporters will never abandon him, but if the rest of the reliable GoP voters turn on them they will flip on him faster than a tweet can go viral.
    I don't think they will. Not over this. I mean they voted for him after hearing him say he is allowed to grab any woman he wants too. This is too "foreign" and obscure for a GOP voter to care about. Fox News and the evangelicals didn't care that he cheated on Melania with Stormy and paid to cover it up. They made it seem like he was the victim

    They wont care about this.

    All they will hear is Dems are coming to take all your guns, they want to let the brown people invade, and they want free abortions on every corner and the transgenders in your bathrooms.

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