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    Oh, boy. The Brits are gonna have bloated James Woods in charge of Parliament. Wow; this is so going to go well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    One reason may be gone..personally I think UK will stay in EU now anyway. There is nothing Boris can do that will be any more successful than Mrs May tried in recent months. Ultimately there will be a second referendum or a forced general election..neither of which will led to exit.

    It will be up to Boris to chose between a rock and a hard place. One will damage Conservative Party, the other will damage it even more. Sadly given Boris’s nature he will chose more damaging choice..he will be forced into a General Election.

    Do you really not see a lot of parallels between the Brexit campaign and the Scottish Independence one??
    I did not pay as much attention to what was said before the Scottish referendum. I know Brexit was based on complete lies. Not sure if Scotland was the same. But as I said, not as informed on it.
    I do recall all the misinformation from the Better Together crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogindy View Post
    Oh, boy. The Brits are gonna have bloated James Woods in charge of Parliament. Wow; this is so going to go well.
    But, it's what the people wanted, just like voters here wanted Trump. Now, the Brits will have to deal with the inevitable consequences, just like we're dealing with the seemingly endless fallout from Dolt45 being in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I don't really know that Democrats were better during the 2012 election.

    What do you think of the Democratic leader in the Senate lying about Romney's tax returns, and justifying it later by saying "We won the election, didn't we?" If this is the norm, a lot of stuff is justified in the names of winning.
    Stop acting as if "both sides" justifies racism, white nationalism, and corruption in the Republican party -- it doesn't.

    I think any kind of unethical behavior in politics is wrong, just as I think using anecdotal evidence while ignoring solid data regarding Republican bigotry, incivility, criminality, homophobia, racism and corruption is engaging in misleading rhetoric -- you can't support the Republican party and pretend you don't likewise support said behaviors in your representatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I did not pay as much attention to what was said before the Scottish referendum. I know Brexit was based on complete lies. Not sure if Scotland was the same. But as I said, not as informed on it.
    I do recall all the misinformation from the Better Together crowd.
    So you don’t know enough about Scottish campaign to have a valid opinion on question I asked?

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    I don't remember hearing anything about the Scottish referendum being unfair, which I definitely can't say for Brexit.

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    This is petty and unproductive. But damn, pence looks so much older. I just saw a clip of him trying to address the send her back thing, and he looks so old. I mean he was never a spring chicken with the premature silvering of his hair, but the wrinkles have deepened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecegirl View Post
    This is petty and unproductive. But damn, pence looks so much older. I just saw a clip of him trying to address the send her back thing, and he looks so old. I mean he was never a spring chicken with the premature silvering of his hair, but the wrinkles have deepened.
    Having to spend so much time in proximity to Trump takes a toll on a person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecegirl View Post
    This is petty and unproductive. But damn, pence looks so much older. I just saw a clip of him trying to address the send her back thing, and he looks so old. I mean he was never a spring chicken with the premature silvering of his hair, but the wrinkles have deepened.
    You try dealing with the Tyrant Toddler and his antics on a daily basis and see if that doesn't prematurely age you. Speaking of which, I know I don't follow the news outlets all that closely (said avoidance keeps me sane), but when was the last time Trump and Pence were seen together?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    Having to spend so much time in proximity to Trump takes a toll on a person.
    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    You try dealing with the Tyrant Toddler and his antics on a daily basis and see if that doesn't prematurely age you. Speaking of which, I know I don't follow the news outlets all that closely (said avoidance keeps me sane), but when was the last time Trump and Pence were seen together?
    This is like the third year, what is he gonna do if things go south in 2020 and Trump gets reelected? He's not gonna make it.

    You know what I don't think they spend too much time together? So maybe at the 4th of july thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    So you don’t know enough about Scottish campaign to have a valid opinion on question I asked?
    Pretty much, yes.

    But moving forward, much of the "Stay" arguments are negated by Brexit.

    I think the next leave referendum will have a different take, if the UK is no longer in the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    The most popular Governors in the US are Republicans, so you could look at what they've done.

    As something on a larger scale, George W Bush has been credited with the single greatest humanitarian program of the last few decades (his efforts against AIDS and extreme poverty in Africa.)
    Oh please. While some fools like U2's Bono fell for it, the real experts saw through that.

    As the programs were tied to sexual health providers in Africa not even MENTIONING abortion at any time if they didn't want to lose all their funding, the programs probably did more bad than good. In Uganda, for example, a positive trend of receding infection rates was reversed.

    The Bush Global Gag Rule: Endangering Women's Health, Free Speech and Democracy

    Also, funding for the President's global AIDS program has been well below expectations and even below the annualized amounts authorized by Congress. The administration has also allowed its approach to be guided by political and social ideologies over sound public health and the local needs of recipient countries.

    Bush accused of Aids damage to Africa

    A senior United Nations official has accused President George Bush of "doing damage to Africa" by cutting funding for condoms, a move which may jeopardise the successful fight against HIV/Aids in Uganda.
    Stephen Lewis, the UN secretary general's special envoy for HIV/Aids in Africa, said US cuts in funding for condoms and an emphasis on promoting abstinence had contributed to a shortage of condoms in Uganda, one of the few African countries which has succeeded in reducing its infection rate.

    "There is no doubt in my mind that the condom crisis in Uganda is being driven by [US policies]," Mr Lewis said yesterday. "To impose a dogma-driven policy that is fundamentally flawed is doing damage to Africa."
    If that is supposed to be Bush's saving grace, he remains lost.
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    For all his early concern about "Islamic terror", Trump has a blind spot when it comes to this kind of terrorism for obvious reasons.

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    "Wray: ‘Majority’ Of Domestic Terror Arrests This Year Motivated By White Supremacy"

    "FBI Director Christopher Wray told lawmakers on Tuesday that the majority of the arrests his team has made this year related to domestic terrorism have been motivated by white supremacist ideology.

    “In terms of the number of arrests, we have through the third quarter of this fiscal year, we had about 100 arrests on the international terrorism side, which includes the homegrown violent terrorism,” he told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday. “But we’ve also had just about the same number, again, don’t quote me to the exact digit, but on the domestic terrorism side and I will say, that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we’ve investigated, are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence, it includes other things as well.”

    Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) called the numbers “significant” in light of the ongoing dialogue about race in the U.S. following President Trump’s racist attacks on four congresswomen of color over the last several days.

    “I think this is significant,” Durbin said. “I do not not want to diminish the work you’re doing when it comes to homegrown domestic terrorism … But what you have just said is significant, if the number of people arrested this calendar year when it comes to this extremist conduct, is about equal between those who were inspired by foreign actors, ISIS, al-Qaeda, whatever it might be, and those who were inspired by white supremacy or at least some version of race.”

    Durbin added: “We are having a national conversation about race that we haven’t had in a long time — about racism and the reaction, what is acceptable and what is not.”

    When Durbin asked if the two could be considered equal threats, Wray said no, calling homegrown violent terrorism the single biggest threat to the U.S."


    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/d...acy-chris-wray
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    "Civility."

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    "The “MAGA Bomber” who mailed explosives to President Donald Trump’s critics turned violent on a steady diet of Fox News, Trump tweets, and Facebook, his lawyers claim.

    Cesar Sayoc, 57, previously pleaded guilty to sending 16 pipe bombs to news outlets and public figures in October. On social media, Sayoc promoted far-right conspiracy theories and threatened people who were critical of Trump. He faces life in prison for the mail bombings.

    But Sayoc’s lawyers argue he was just a man struggling with “cognitive limitations and mental illness” who was manipulated by conservative media and the president’s Twitter feed.

    Isolated and abusing steroids, Sayoc lived a lonely life, his attorneys claimed in a Monday filing.

    “By 2018, he was living alone in a decrepit and cramped van that had been his home for more than a decade,” the lawyers wrote. “A typical day saw Mr. Sayoc waking up in his van, showering at the gym, and cooking crockpot meals while inside the DJ booth of a strip club before heading off to his second job delivering pizza. As he grew older and more isolated, excessive steroid use increased his feelings of anxiety and paranoia.

    “In this darkness, Mr. Sayoc found light in Donald J. Trump.”

    Sayoc watched Fox News “religiously at the gym,” the filing continued. He typically ended his evenings watching Sean Hannity’s show. He also began to feel victimized as a Trump supporter, his lawyers wrote. On Facebook, he shared posts about supposed attacks on Trump supporters. When his van was vandalized, he believed it was the work of “anti-Trump forces [that] were trying to hurt him.”

    Sayoc’s lawyers pinned some of the blame on Trump. “He began to consider Democrats as not just dangerous in theory, but imminently and seriously dangerous to his personal safety,” they wrote. “President Trump did nothing to dissuade this message.”

    They pointed to multiple instances in which Trump told his followers that Democrats were out to hurt them, including an October 2018 rally when Trump said Democrats “destroy people. They want to destroy people. These are really evil people.”

    Sayoc sent the bombs that same month.

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    A scottish referendum suffers all the same problems as brexit with an even worse outcome frankly.
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