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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    The picture you paint however, as unrealistic as it is, is that the democrats have always been this perfectly immaculate example that has never made a mistake or has smudges on their record.
    I don't recall WBE ever stating or implying anything of the sort. He does have a long history of debunking the myth that both sides are just as bad, however. There are plenty of cases of Democrats misusing their power for their own personal gain or in general just being schmucks, just nowhere near the degree and numbers to that which Republicans have shown themselves to be. I don't think that a 1:10 ratio would be that far off, personally!
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    A forum that has a problem with cruelty and fascism is not automatically an "echo chamber."
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    Quote Originally Posted by shooshoomanjoe View Post
    I hope you're being sarcastic.
    "victims" in quotes, because that's how Trump's been portraying them. So yes. 100% sarcastic there.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBullion View Post
    A forum that has a problem with cruelty and fascism is not automatically an "echo chamber."
    I'd like to think places where voices are heard would have a cacophony of "cruelty and fascism are bad" sounding out and be met with silence, y'know? It's not like we're arguing the finer points of wedge issues. We're arguing "children shouldn't be in cages" and "pedophiles and other sexual predators should face justice and not be placed in positions of power".

    Kinda should be just "given" on a political spectrum.
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    Got an alert saying Trump has given up on adding that citizenship question to the 2020 Census.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Got an alert saying Trump has given up on adding that citizenship question to the 2020 Census.
    He did give some word salad statement about how he's signing an executive order to tell all federal agencies to tell him everything they know about the "citizen and non-citizen population of the country".

    And he's going to pretend that's the same as what he wanted in the census question, declare he won, even though all those federal agencies are just going to point at the regular data gathered in the past cesnsus to comply with his request.

    He is a moron, after all.
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    Speaking of that Trump "impotently tries an end-around the census thing that won't work" press conference...

    It was in the Rose Garden, and fresh off of spending the morning trying to insist that USWNT star Megan Rapinoe was up to something sinister, former Trump administration with Hungarian Nazi affiliations Sebastian Gorka showed up with some MAGA cronies to chant his name as he started threatening to kick a journalist's ass. And then skulked away, because Gorka's, at the end of the day, a coward.

    Kinda underlines why Megan Rapinoe didn't want to go to the White House, y'know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    He did give some word salad statement about how he's signing an executive order to tell all federal agencies to tell him everything they know about the "citizen and non-citizen population of the country".

    And he's going to pretend that's the same as what he wanted in the census question, declare he won, even though all those federal agencies are just going to point at the regular data gathered in the past cesnsus to comply with his request.

    He is a moron, after all.
    Either that or make up numbers out of thin air. Trump is too damn stupid to know the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    Speaking of that Trump "impotently tries an end-around the census thing that won't work" press conference...

    It was in the Rose Garden, and fresh off of spending the morning trying to insist that USWNT star Megan Rapinoe was up to something sinister, former Trump administration with Hungarian Nazi affiliations Sebastian Gorka showed up with some MAGA cronies to chant his name as he started threatening to kick a journalist's ass. And then skulked away, because Gorka's, at the end of the day, a coward.

    Kinda underlines why Megan Rapinoe didn't want to go to the White House, y'know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Elect a clown, expect a circus, and there’s a three ring clusterfuck in Washington these days.
    Gotta also add, the gal in the MAGA dress calling the journalists "Fake News" is Joy Villa, a C-Lister as far as musicians/actresses go who was busier earlier in the morning on Instagram spreading conspiracy theories that the Twitter loss of service was deliberate, and to make Trump look bad.

    Again, this is what American conservatism has become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    They do and have. Mistakes have been made all around. The picture you paint however, as unrealistic as it is, is that the democrats have always been this perfectly immaculate example that has never made a mistake or has smudges on their record.



    Wow. I'm sorry you feel that way. If anybody ever wondered why your everyday Joe White taxpayer, with his head down, just trying to keep his sanity as trudges back and forth to work eveyday is becoming more and more agitated with the democratic party, look no further than this quote.

    Jesus, man. Way to go with more of your insulting generalizations and assumptions.
    "Mistakes have been made." Ah, the passive voice. Care to point out the actual conservatives who made those mistakes? WBE does on a daily basis, and even points out several liberals/Democrats once a year.

    And if you're "Joe White Taxpayer," and you don't see how the upper 1%, who are majority Republican/conservative, are more responsible for your lot in life than any Democrat/liberal pushing for diversity, then you're just a damn fool who's being played by that very same upper 1%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    A Republican running to be governor of Mississippi declined to allow a reporter to accompany him on a campaign trip just because she is a woman, the reporter said Tuesday night.
    According to Mississippi Today reporter Larrison Campbell, she and her colleagues reached out to three Republican gubernatorial candidates to ask for ride-alongs with the candidates. The two others agreed, but when Campbell reached out to state Rep. Robert Foster in late June, Foster’s campaign director replied days later offering to let her accompany Foster on an upcoming 15-hour campaign trip—as long as a male colleague accompanied her.
    And she's an out lesbian, so obviously not going to be trying anything. Therefore, he's coming right out and saying that he can't be trusted to not force himself sexually on literally any woman he's left alone with.

    I mean, I guess it's good that he's at least letting people know about it...

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    blah blah I said a thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    Well, I find that strange, since in this thread alone (and others scattered around as I have read) various insults demonizing conservatives and republicans on the whole, as though just by associating with either of those entities, you must be an evil bigot...and all the rest of those lumping adjectives you listed.
    Bigot, or bigot-adjacent. Yeah.

    And...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    Not at all what I said. No issue with calling out racism. What I am saying is, there is a boat-load of insults hurled at conservatives/republicans in general in this thread, lumping such a large portion of people into one basket as though it would almost be impossible to be a conservative/republican inserting an attempt at civilized discussion from that point of view on any given single issue. To me, it seems already well established that if you identify as a conservative/republican and have a desire to express those values in this thread, you may as well expect the same level of hatred, insults, ect.
    I mean, you're welcome to try, instead of just coming in here and crying about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    For example- Trump "the racist." This is something more and more I have seen him labeled as in the media connecting his stance on the border/immigration-trying to keep people out who happen to not be white. Is that a component of his racism? Okay. I can see how someone could see it that way. Its further exacerbated by the unfortunate reality that in order to keep the border intact, people, including children need to be contained in large cage-like structures. However, there are a great many people who believe he is doing it for no other reason than to secure the border, which keeps the nation intact and there are perfectly reasonable arguments that support that stance as well. If the country were to open up and allow anyone and everyone to not just flood into the country, but to benefit from a system they would not be helping to support (including expensive health care), in a very short time, this country would not sustain itself.

    I try to keep both sides in mind when I consider this topic. In terms of Trump, I can't say I know the man's real motivation, however, regardless of whoever the president is, I do want to see the nation kept in tact with borders. I believe a lot of good comes from the advancements this country makes (which a lot of the world eventually benefits from) which has only been afforded because of the foundational pillars of law and policy and subsequent prosperity that would not exist without borders. Also, as someone in healthcare, while obviously not perfect, I shudder at the thought of what would happen with a system of completely open borders/free healthcare to all who would come here. What I want to learn more about, is how many of the would-be immigrants are truly seeking asylum and how many are just trying to get into the country for prosperity and are unwilling to do it the legal way because it takes more effort and patience.

    I would say though, that the true test on this topic, is that to anybody who supports open borders- if you are not willing to right now, take an immigrant family into your house or, perhaps empty a savings account of a few thousand dollars to cover an immigrant's health expenses for a year (would likely be much higher), than I question that person's integrity on the topic.
    Ok, finally something of substance.

    Sorta.

    First of all, nobody is arguing for completely open borders, where just anyone and everyone can come and stay. Nobody. so you can cross that off your list of things to argue with.

    Secondly of all:

    What I want to learn more about, is how many of the would-be immigrants are truly seeking asylum and how many are just trying to get into the country for prosperity and are unwilling to do it the legal way because it takes more effort and patience.
    The facts are out there, if you really are interested in looking for them, and not just seeking to cast aspersions against people who are worse off on their best day than you'll ever be on your worst. The best place to start looking for these facts probably isn't a comic book message board.

    Third of all, the main reason health care is so expensive in the United States is because a bunch of rich and powerful people have conspired to make and keep it that way. Your problem should be with them, not with the people who need it.

    Fourthly of all, the jab about "take an immigrant family into your house and pay for their healthcare". People aren't looking to move to the US for a free ride. They move because they want to work, to earn the money to look after themselves and their families. They work damn hard, for a lot less money, and everyone knows it.

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