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    In 2016, 2017, and in 2018, that “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” presented profiles of the eleven-term U.S. House Representative for Ohio’s 1st Congressional District, Steve Chabot, who felt it necessary during Congressional testimony regarding Hillary Clinton’s e-mails from former Attorney General Loretta Lynch to give her a history lesson about that time that Bill Clinton was receiving fellatio from Monica Lewinsky, and they went and tried impeaching the president. What does that have to do with Hillary Clinton’s e-mails, or Hillary Clinton, directly at all, you ask? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. But for whatever reason, Chabot thought it relevant to remind everyone that Bill Clinton got a hummer in the Oval Office one upon a time, just in case Loretta Lynch or the public had never heard before. That isn’t entirely an isolated incident regarding Hillary Clinton getting smeared by Rep. Chabot, though, as after several Benghazi hearings through the past three or four years that have turned up no evidence of any wrongdoing, no rumored “stand down” order, and no evidence that an order to send in the military would have saved the lives of any of the four people who died in the attack on the embassy, he still has told the public that a “smoking gun” proving Clinton’s involvement was criminal was found. But don’t worry, he doesn’t save his baseless accusations for Hillary Clinton alone. When news first broke over the supposed “IRS Scandal” (which ended up not showing any targeting of conservative groups, specifically by the IRS), Steve Chabot seized on the opportunity to wonder “How high up does this go?” and insinuating that it was on an order that went all the way to the Obama White House.

    This isn’t to say that Rep. Chabot is a boy scout, himself exactly. Shortly after he was re-elected back into office in the 2010 Tea Party Wave, he hosted his first town hall in his district (while his fellow Republicans were in the process of gerrymandering to make more favorable to him by the 2012 elections). And during that 2011 Town Hall, Chabot ordered police present to begin confiscating cameras so that no one could photograph or film what was happening for “security reasons” that were never explained… Chabot apparently wanted to control what might get out and onto Youtube, also taking care to only allow pre-screened questions to be asked by those present. This plan to restrict his constituent’s rights backfired because it was caught on camera by the media, whose cameras were NOT confiscated.

    Anyway, over his decades in the House, Chabot has one of the more partisan records not just for legislation he’s supported, including being a co-sponsor of the Defense of Marriage Act, voting for the impeachment of President Bill Clinton for lying about having an affair with Monica Lewinsky,voting for a constitutional amendment to allow government buildings to erect monuments of the Ten Commandments, and an amendment to ban same-sex marriage. He has voted for a myriad of strict anti-choice legislation, has twice tried to defund Planned Parenthood, and is so conservative in terms of pro-life that he voted for the Terry Schiavo Incapacitated Persons bill. Chabot’s record on bank legislation is disastrous, as he voted for the Gramm-Leach-Billey Act, which repeals key parts of the Glass-Steagall Financial Regulation Act, and opens the door for big banks to create the 2007 Sub-Prime Mortgage Housing Crisis, and against Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform, to resolve that crisis. He voted for the Iraq War Resolution in 2002. Chabot voted for the 2013 Government Shutdown, and then voted to keep the government closed when the time came to reopen it.

    Our biggest update on Steve Chabot would be that after he showed Americans he was a man who back in 1998 was more than happy defend the integrity of the investigators who were rabidly digging into every aspect of Bill and Hillary Clinton’s lives in the hopes of getting them impeached… that same guy suddenly would like to point out that the investigators working on the Mueller investigation show some signs of bias because 9 of them at some point in their careers donated money to Democratic candidates, and not a single member of Mueller’s team has ever donated money to Donald Trump’s political campaigns. Never mind that Mueller himself, and most of his investigators are registered as Republicans, or that it’s perfectly legal for them to donate money to whatever political campaign they choose… suddenly, twenty years after he wanted the Lewinsky investigation to be declared non-partisan… NOW Steve Chabot can’t believe FBI investigators would be above reproach when hunting for the truth about Donald Trump’s presidential campaign colluding with Russians to get him elected.

    Well, outside of that, his voting record also shows he’s a partisan hack:



    Ohio’s 1st Congressional District has a +5 Republican lean, and Chabot barely survived re-election in 2018, only netting 51% of the vote. He currently is trying to avoid looking like an utter hypocrite for having voted for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, but refusing to even consider doing so for Donald Trump, and his only defense is the lies Donald Trump has told “weren’t under oath. Please note, he at least acknowledges Trump lies about committing crimes. And he doesn’t care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    So, because you searched "Larry Klayman" and found his name in one story, and it doesn't mention that he did that rally and Ted Cruz was there... even though I've found numerous other political coverage sites that noted it elsewhere...

    It's like it never happened.

    There's cognitive dissonance, and then there's willful ignorance.
    I didn't say it never happened. I suggested coverage was limited. You're saying it was mentioned on some shows you watch which is fine, but if you could read the New York Times without coming across the story, I'll still maintain coverage was relatively limited.

    This marks a problem with modern discussions. We get information from different news sources which present a skewed baseline for what we can expect reasonably informed people to be familiar with.

    You also haven't addressed your claim that Cruz "led a mob of Tea Party loons outside the gates of the White House to wave a Confederate flag at it while the first African American president sat inside" and that he instructed a preacher to give a message about Obama worshipping the Koran. The idea that he instructed anyone to use a confederate flag is not supported by the evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    To every American, my question is, do you feel comfortable being critical of the political party you are affiliated with or with politicians and other members of your party?

    I get the feeling that Mets is giving the impression (correctly or not) that he is unwilling to be self-party critical. But to those who debate him, are you also willing to be self-party critical?

    I think we are all mature enough, or should be mature enough, to realize that no person or party is perfect.

    However, to downplay or ignore or deflect from what is going on with Trump and his administration is understandably perplexing and likely to draw the ire of many. Some Republicans are able to stand apart from the pack and speak freely and critically. Others seem to find it impossible to do so.

    Not all transgressions are equal, some are far worse than others.
    I fully get the argument that because you think one party is worse it is more important for its members to be self-critical. But that's a different argument from whether I'm less willing to criticize the Republican party than the rest of the people here are willing to criticize the Democratic party, especially if we're talking about going beyond strategy (the criticism of the effectiveness of the approach isn't an objection to the end-goal), or criticisms that the party isn't progressive enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Remember when civility was defined by your thoughts ? Oh wait it isnt.

    We're civil on the basis that we ignore your terrible attempts at misdirection, lies and goalpost shifting to a degree. Because on many other sites you'd of been banned LONG ago. Just because your not a screaming troll like some of the other "conservatives" that try posting here doesn't mean we're not aware of your shit.
    Civility isn't defined by thoughts; it's defined by actions. That's why I think holding back doesn't demonstrate civility; it's about how one presents themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I didn't say it never happened. I suggested coverage was limited. You're saying it was mentioned on some shows you watch which is fine, but if you could read the New York Times without coming across the story, I'll still maintain coverage was relatively limited.

    This marks a problem with modern discussions. We get information from different news sources which present a skewed baseline for what we can expect reasonably informed people to be familiar with.

    You also haven't addressed your claim that Cruz "led a mob of Tea Party loons outside the gates of the White House to wave a Confederate flag at it while the first African American president sat inside" and that he instructed a preacher to give a message about Obama worshipping the Koran. The idea that he instructed anyone to use a confederate flag is not supported by the evidence.
    Then I look forward to the day you make excuses for the Proud Boys violently assaulting people of color outside a Trump rally in the coming months, and explaining why Trump won't be to blame, because he never specifically orders it to happen.

    Because inciting a mob is a thing, Mets. And you might want to step to the plate and decide that's a bad thing for a politician to do now before Trump really starts turning loose his modern day Brownshirts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    And I'm sure you're trying to do anything but talk about the racist, fascist, criminal behavior of your party, but that doesn't make your opinion on "civility" more relevant than reality -- you can't even talk about how Obama was treated by the Republicans or how they elected the "birther in chief" into office.

    Trying to grasp at a win on the grounds of "civility" while Trump is the leader of your party is ridiculous -- clean your own house first.
    I never said the problem with civility was exclusively with the Democrats. If you have specific comments about Trump's shortcomings we can talk that over, and I've been willing to criticize him in the past. Bringing the discussion to Trump raises some questions. I get that you could argue things have changed thanks to Trump, but what does that mean? Should civility be more prized if Jeb Bush were President? Is civility ineffective, or is it something that might work as an approach in other circumstances (it doesn't work when Trump's in the White House, but it might work in a different political environment)?

    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Close ranks and support a racist fuckwad in the Oval Office who's pushing the country ever closer to outright fascism? Do you have ANY idea how jawdropping insane that sounds? Clearly, testicle-challenged clowns like Kobach and all the rest have forgotten that their responsibility is to serve ALL the people, not just that segment of pea-brained, knuckledragging shitstains who've thrown in with the racist policies of a racist president. If those gutless cowards in the Republican party, in YOUR party had anything in the way of morality in them, they'd publicly disown and censure Trump for the bigotry and division he's fomenting, they'd put morals ahead of politics and bring YOUR party back from the brink. But, I guess they don't have the cojones for that, do they?
    I'm guessing they don't think he's the second coming of Mussolini.

    My comments were about political disagreements than racism, but there have been significant improvements in race relations in my father's lifetime (he was born in 1946.) There's an increased acceptance of interracial marriage (I get the argument that it should have always been one hundred percent) and while hate crimes sometimes occur, those responsible are prosecuted, and there has been a significant decline.


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    I did a little math of my own earlier since the figure of $750 per day per detained child and it's even more disgusting than you would first think. New York State, which has the highest per inmate cost in the entire country, pays under $200 per day per inmate. And they can somehow manage to provide basic hygiene products for that as well.

    Private prisons - only a quarter as efficient with our tax dollars as what Republicans hold up as a shining example of liberal spending run amuck.

    So Benedict Donald has managed to steal not just lives from kids, but is stealing from the taxpayers as well to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Internal drug company emails show indifference to opioid epidemic

    [i]f you are low, order more. If you are okay, order a little more, Capesce?
    Using the formal 'you' in such a shady communication is a bit surreal.

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    School district warns parents their kids could be put in foster care unless lunch debt paid

    A Pennsylvania school district reportedly plans to send out another letter to parents after facing backlash for a message warning parents that their children could be recommended to be put in foster care if they didn't pay their school lunch debt.

    One copy of the initial letter, which has since been reposted on social media, shows the Wyoming Valley West School District informing parents of their student’s school lunch account balance of $75.25, adding that “multiple letters have been sent home with your child and no payments have been made to their account," NBC affiliate WBRE reported.

    “Your child has been sent to school every day without money and without a breakfast and/or lunch,” the July 9 letter reads. “This is a failure to provide your child with proper nutrition and you can be sent to Dependency Court for neglecting your child’s right to food."

    “If you are taken to Dependency court, the result may be your child being removed from your home and placed in foster care,” the letter continues. "Please remit payment as soon as possible to avoid being reported to the proper authorities.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I never said the problem with civility was exclusively with the Democrats. If you have specific comments about Trump's shortcomings we can talk that over, and I've been willing to criticize him in the past.
    I bring his and the rest of the Republican party's "shortcomings" up all of the time and you never answer directly.

    Now you're trying to harp on "civility" while dodging my question regarding why we should ignore how Republicans treated the very "civil" Obama for eight years -- it's not about Trump, it's about the Republican party that elected him as president.

    Being "civil" with you does nothing to keep my voting rights from being curtailed and children from being abused by Republicans -- it didn't do anything for Obama and it isn't proving any more effective with you; despite months of discussing the same old issues with you, your party is worse than ever before.



    Obama proved that "civility" only allows Republicans to treat you like dirt, and with that in mind, I'm done even discussing the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    The Mueller who no longer has a staff?
    They have closing out staff and handed over concurrent cases to the NY AG. All things Russia are still called, "the Mueller Investigation" because it never got a cool name like WaterGate or Whitewater or Blackgate. Clearly he wants to enter a plea deal instead of going to court for both child porn/sex trafficking and soliciting to foreign dignitaries in Trump Tower. There's still 3 federal and 9 NY state trials happening with the Mueller Investigation, but they're all "mop up" cases of the small fry.
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    Once again, this "civility" argument is nothing new. They told Black civil rights activists in the 1960s to calm down and be more civil. Yeah, because civility got them so much, right? <sarcasm>

    "Civility" is what the bully cries when we make him take a little bit of his own medicine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    They have closing out staff and handed over concurrent cases to the NY AG. All things Russia are still called, "the Mueller Investigation" because it never got a cool name like WaterGate or Whitewater or Blackgate. Clearly he wants to enter a plea deal instead of going to court for both child porn/sex trafficking and soliciting to foreign dignitaries in Trump Tower. There's still 3 federal and 9 NY state trials happening with the Mueller Investigation, but they're all "mop up" cases of the small fry.

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    Oh, poor Mr. Mets. He has to live in a district where his voice is marginalized and irrelevant. Welcome to my world. And before you start with "Ah, you got Andre Carson, and before that his mother Julia Carson", the district was held by Republicans for over 50 years. In a state dominated by Republicans, that votes Republican in national elections (where I'm still baffled we went with Obama in 2008).

    Seriously; if it's so rough for him, there's always Staten Island. Aside from the Expressway, it's practically New York's Republican outpost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogindy View Post
    Oh, poor Mr. Mets. He has to live in a district where his voice is marginalized and irrelevant. Welcome to my world. And before you start with "Ah, you got Andre Carson, and before that his mother Julia Carson", the district was held by Republicans for over 50 years. In a state dominated by Republicans, that votes Republican in national elections (where I'm still baffled we went with Obama in 2008).

    Seriously; if it's so rough for him, there's always Staten Island. Aside from the Expressway, it's practically New York's Republican outpost.
    Travel across the Hudson, far enough west, and he'll find very red communities. My community is strongly Republican, though we Democrats are starting to make some cracks in that dominance. Even if we are outnumbered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    Once again, this "civility" argument is nothing new. They told Black civil rights activists in the 1960s to calm down and be more civil. Yeah, because civility got them so much, right? <sarcasm>

    "Civility" is what the bully cries when we make him take a little bit of his own medicine.
    kap did a nice calm and quiet protest. and they still got mad.

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