Now that sounds like a damn good strategy, one that should be adopted by the Democrats with all due haste. Trump has NEVER been under this level of relentless, 24/7 scrutiny in his misbegotten life, and he's bound to crack from the strain eventually. The problem is convincing others in the party, including progressives and a few presidential candidates, both needing to feed red meat to their followers to go that route, in their minds, it's increasingly becoming impeachment or bust, and that's shaping up to be a bad bet.
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The worst thing I've heard about the fallout from the Brexit vote is that the government started the process to Leave too soon without a clear plan in mind, which has led to the current clusterfuck they're in. I'd rather get most of my ducks in a row before I start any process going forward. While I don't think not impeaching will lead to the vindication of Trump so many are worried about, I'm sure that starting the process and then deciding to cancel it would certainly do the trick.
Actually it just a distortion on your views of the 2nd amendment issue. In both cases I’m advocating against fighting and wasting political capital on meaningless half measures that are doomed out the gate.
We’ve already been through this before. Your strategy on gun rights is a proven losing method that loses the debate every time and even if you won you win a tiny fraction of a percent less gun crime on a massive assumption that gun criminals just decide to not kill people using bump stocks or find a weapon slightly different than a semi auto. It’s so ineffective you lose the debate and if you ever fell ass backwards into winning you still probably put a bandaids on a decapitation.
It’s a meaningless ineffective measure that does absolutely nothing that is not going to succeed anyways. But I’m sure it makes you feel better about yourself. Kind of like impeaching Trump. It’s destined to lose and is at best a meaningless gesture to feel like you are doing something. It’s political masturbation.
But I really shouldn’t expect much from someone who has a weird complex about his beliefs where everyone who challenges them is a secret Trump supporter.
Clinton was liked but not by Republicans. He got his most popularity when people thought he was being railroaded. That’s the risk with Trump. You risk Democrats being asked whether Trump was cleared of the crime he is being impeached on counts of obstructing every single day.
The risk not impeaching Trump is what? Setting a precedent that he can’t be held accountable? The Senate won’t hold him accountable anyways.
The issue is that there IS actually alot of secret Trump supporters. Whether thet be bots or Trolls or Nazis theres alot happy to gaslight.
Yes, that is a fact that more and more corroborating evidence is coming out in support of. They eventually reveal themselves, you just have to keep an eye on posts, a mind for history, and a realization that if something looks/walks/quacks like a duck then it's a duck even if it quacks in english.
You don’t know that and the strategy you advocate for has been failing for 30 years. One of the reasons it fails consistently is precisely because all those small compromises you aim for aren’t effective and you end up having to field attacks from Republicans on why you are fighting for something that is statistically insignificant.
So not only would you be ceasing to chase a failed strategy you’d be doing something that minimizes one of the biggest weaknesses of it. But of course this shows how absolutist you are about your stances.
It’s not comparable to impeaching Trump. We know exactly what circumstances are necessary and you don’t have something that will get Senate Republicans to oust him. It’s actually far closer to what you want to do by making a meaningless point that you already know will be ineffective and fail
If you have a better argument feel free to bring it up, otherwise don’t waste my time trying to make meaningless connections to call people hypocrites so you can feel better about being slighted elsewhere in this thread.
I’m sure their are. At the same time there are several hyper partisan people on this sub that can’t handle not towing the party line and using that to dismiss people who challenge their opinions because they aren’t comfortable.
Take Dalak who is trying to insinuate that me being in hyper opposition to the second Amendment and agreeing with the stance of the de facto head of the DNC on the impeachment matter (Pelosi) somehow makes me a secret Trump supporter. It’s preposterous on its face and doesn’t hold up to the slightest bit of logic. But I don’t agree with Dalak all the time so he’d rather believe that than address real points.
The last 8 years have been breeding whole new generations that are actually supportive of gun control, and the part of 'my argument' that you always leave out to create a strawman is that looooong before you get the magic 2/3rds to abolish the 2nd you'll be able to get actual legitimate legislation passed that will be effective. inB4 SCOTUS: vote for folks that won't put in drunken sexual criminals and it wouldn't be an issue.
So again - Preach about how ineffective & meaningless Thing You Don't Like is while endorsing something just as ineffective & meaningless, just don't expect anyone to ignore the hypocrisy.
If I claimed everyone I disagreed with at all a secret trump supporter, there'd be no one on this forum that would be immune. Instead, I focus on the things a person says and does when unforced as that is far more revealing of a person's character. I just point these things out, like how you refuse to back up claims you make about posters with evidence because you can't spend the time you spend posting things to look up proof.
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He Went To Jared opened his yap, and bullshit pouted out:
Kushner Says Mueller Probe Damaged U.S. Democracy More Than Russia Did
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Hmm! Sounds like Trump's kind of people:
Militia allegedly trained to assassinate Obama, Hillary Clinton
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