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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    Just a reminder, the absurdity of these laws is the point. They WANT to get sued so they can take it to the Supreme Court, because they think they have the votes to overturn abortion nationwide.
    This is exactly their strategy.

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    Sorry wrong topic

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    Here's who voted for the Alabama Abortion Bill. Take notes WBE.




    And another figure in this from the House of Representatives, Terri Collins!


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    I just think if they put this much effort into what happens after these children are born they wouldn't be the absolute worst state in education rankings.

    Passing this bill suggests they are just so concerned about children and the potential of every child even children borne from rape and incest.

    It doesn't make sense that they are not also the number 1 state for education then?

    They are also in the bottom 5 for healthcare. Strange

    You want to force control of women's bodies from them. Force them to have these babies. Then you provide the worst education in the country and the almost the worst healthcare in the country at 46 out of 50 in state rankings.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...gs/health-care

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidfresh512 View Post
    I just think if they put this much effort into what happens after these children are born they wouldn't be the absolute worst state in education rankings.
    Oh please. They never cared about kids.

    Coleman-Madison offered an amendment requiring the state of Alabama to pay for medical care to the age of 3 for any child it requires a woman to carry to term. It was defeated 23 to 6. #alpolitics

    Also, another moment to remember and this is from Clyde Chambliss, not Saxby.

    When asked if this bill makes an exception for victims of incest, Sen. Chambliss says, "yes, until she knows she's pregnant."

    Again, that would mean that that person would have to get an abortion before they know they're pregnant. That's not a thing. #HB314 #alpolitics

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    They're doing it because they know that now they will overturn Roe Vs Wade. That's why Kavannaugh was brought.
    And then Trump will declare war with Iran and declare the state of emergency.
    Everything is doing well according to his plan to end democracy in the US;

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    I just saw an article from the New York times saying that rape and incest make up a total of about 1% of abortions. People keep using the "rape and incest" situation but lets be honest....most cases are people living irresponsibly. It's just the truth. I agree that the foster and adoption situation is already in terrible shape and I know first hand. It's a tough situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohnooze View Post
    I just saw an article from the New York times saying that rape and incest make up a total of about 1% of abortions. People keep using the "rape and incest" situation but lets be honest....most cases are people living irresponsibly. It's just the truth. I agree that the foster and adoption situation is already in terrible shape and I know first hand. It's a tough situation.
    People make mistakes, they make poor life choices of course. Who is saying that abortion is ideal? That it isn't a tough, oftentimes horrible choice someones making in their lives? The point people are making with the example is that legislators, and not medical professionals with consultation with the actual women, are deciding for them. These legislators are deciding even if its 1 woman a year you got raped so what have the baby.

    Is it an outlier, or extreme case? Yes, but it is also true.

    Then you add to the hypocrisy of this being about respecting life and the potential of life. And you from the second they are born basically stop caring. They certainly do not apply the same furor to the kids education in the state. They stay at the bottom of healthcare, so they clearly aren't interested in providing the best healthcare. Is this really about concern for life then?
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    Overpopulation is a problem. And honestly I care more about doctors opinions on this. I don’t want to see mostly male populations legislating an issue they will never directly deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidfresh512 View Post
    People make mistakes, they make poor life choices of course. Who is saying that abortion is ideal? That it isn't a tough, oftentimes horrible choice someones making in their lives? The point people are making with the example is that legislators and not medical professionals with consultation with the actual women are deciding for them. These legislators are deciding even if its 1 woman a year you got raped so what have the baby.

    Is it an outlier, or extreme case? Yes but it is also true.

    Then you add to the hypocrisy of this being about respecting life and the potential of life. And you from the second they are born basically stop caring. They certainly do not apply the same furor to the kids education in the state. They stay at the bottom of healthcare, so they clearly aren't interested in providing the best healthcare. Is this really about concern for life then?
    I don't disagree at all. I don't support abortion but at the same time it's very true that the parents or children are left in a tough situation if they can't abort.
    The only way to avoid this issue is abstinence. You simply should not be having sex if you can't keep a child. It's irresponsible and in some cases (depending on the person) it's damaging to their mental and physical health as well.
    Recently Alyssa Milano decided to call for a "sex strike" to avoid having unwanted children. She's making the point that if you don't have sex you won't get pregnant...though I don't think that was her plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Overpopulation is a problem. And honestly I care more about doctors opinions on this. I don’t want to see mostly male populations legislating an issue they will never directly deal with.
    Sadly, it was doctors who started the move to ban abortion in the 19th century. The religious groups didn't pick it up until later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    Sadly, it was doctors who started the move to ban abortion in the 19th century. The religious groups didn't pick it up until later.
    Wasn’t it s much more dangerous procedure back then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Wasn’t it s much more dangerous procedure back then?
    It probably was, just like anything else including giving birth. But abortion's been around as long as people have been.

    It's been a while since I've read up on this stuff, but the doctors at the time were getting into the whole "it's a person" thing, or something in that neighborhood at the time. Things sort of switched around.

    Hell, Protestants were more nuanced about things until the 80s. (Assemblies of God was officially pro-choice in the 70s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Wasn’t it s much more dangerous procedure back then?
    Even if Roe V. Wade. does end up getting overturned, things will go back to the way they were before. The people with means will still have comfortable, safe abortions when they want. And the desperate, the poor will have unsafe back alley procedures that could kill them or make them sick.

    Then you add the costs of finding and prosecuting the women and practitioners (doctors or "other) its a mess.

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    The best ways to reduce abortions (you'll never be rid of them, making the illegal just creates illegal abortions)
    Comprehensive Sex Education
    Easy access to contraceptives.

    The best ways to encourage women to go through a pregnancy and raise a child
    Lowered Medical costs
    Better Pre-natal care
    Increased funding/aid in daycare/schooling

    The religious right supports none of these issues. They're just pro birth/Anti non-procreation sex.
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