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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    Just to add, the difference between abortion and capital punishment is that with the death penalty a human being dies.
    That depends on what you consider a human. And the difference is that the one you have decided is human likely put himself in that situation by his behavior. I'm no fan of Capital punishment and I'm not defending it but in most cases it's not too difficult to avoid.

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    The abortion debate is a waste of time. It is just a really good wedge issue. Our government would do better to focus on prevention. Not just prevention of unwanted pregnancies but prevention of complications that put the mother's life at risk or cause birth defects.

    Our government needs to work on ensuring adequate healthcare both to provide access to birth control and to ensure that people are healthy enough to create and carry potential life. Our government needs to fund more research into female reproductive health because too many women who want children are hindered by complications during pregnancy that we could prevent one day. Even more deal with unwieldy or painful menstrual cycles so quality of life all around could be improved. Funding for an effective male birth control outside of vasectomies or condoms would be appreciated as well.

    Our government should work on evening the playing field so that mothers of all types feel like they can actually afford to have a child. Parental leave is a joke in the U.S. And the cost of living keeps going up while wages are stagnant. The cost and quality of childcare/early education is a problem too. But that's shit we agree on...shit that gets bipartisan support. Like a recent bill in Georgia which among other things would mandate recess for young children. It passed with massive bipartisan support but was vetoed by Governor Kemp. The fucker signed the heartbeat bill tho... Which means that we will continue to waste time both in the state of Ga and in the nation debating abortion instead of actually helping parents and children. Because such help doesn't creating something to fear monger/inspire blind loyalty in voters about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    First, take a moment to seriously ask yourself if an innocent human being has ever been executed in the United States. Let's set aside instances where people were actually set up by the state.
    It's a practical concern, not a moral/philosophical one. It doesn't confuse how someone can support the death penalty and not abortion.

    It feels like you're trying not to understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecegirl View Post
    The abortion debate is a waste of time. It is just a really good wedge issue. Our government would do better to focus on prevention. Not just prevention of unwanted pregnancies but prevention of complications that put the mother's life at risk or cause birth defects.

    Our government needs to work on ensuring adequate healthcare both to provide access to birth control and to ensure that people are healthy enough to create and carry potential life. Our government needs to fund more research into female reproductive health because too many women who want children are hindered by complications during pregnancy that we could prevent one day. Even more deal with unwieldy or painful menstrual cycles so quality of life all around could be improved. Funding for an effective male birth control outside of vasectomies or condoms would be appreciated as well.

    Our government should work on evening the playing field so that mothers of all types feel like they can actually afford to have a child. Parental leave is a joke in the U.S. And the cost of living keeps going up while wages are stagnant. The cost and quality of childcare/early education is a problem too. But that's shit we agree on...shit that gets bipartisan support. Like a recent bill in Georgia which among other things would mandate recess for young children. It passed with massive bipartisan support but was vetoed by Governor Kemp. The fucker signed the heartbeat bill tho... Which means that we will continue to waste time both in the state of Ga and in the nation debating abortion instead of actually helping parents and children. Because such help doesn't creating something to fear monger/inspire blind loyalty in voters about.
    Agree.

    And Alabama is terrible at all of these

    Alabama says it wants to protect life. How does that claim stack up outside the womb?

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    I'm for total banning of abortion if it comes with the following caveats:

    - Men have to get a vasectomy and can't reverse it until they get a license to have kids. And then after you have X number of kids, it's get permanently reversed.
    - Woman get fully paid maternity leave and cannot be demoted/laid-off/etc. from that job until the child is 16.
    - Woman and family qualifications for aid begin at conception.
    - Men get a full paid paternity leave and cannot be demoted/laid-off/etc. from that job until the child is 16.
    - Families that make less than $100K a year do not have to pay for college.
    - Families that make less than $100K a year do not have to pay for child care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    That is my viewpoint as well. To me, what makes a human being a human being begins with awareness of self, NOT the heartbeat.
    That doesn't happen until around the age of 3 in the West, and about 5 in Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    There's an interesting controversy at Harvard. An African-American law professor has been removed as faculty dean following pushback from students. A big part of the pushback is that he's defending Harvey Weinstein.
    Any students involved in making this happen who are enrolled in a Constitutional Law course should automatically fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    It's a practical concern, not a moral/philosophical one. It doesn't confuse how someone can support the death penalty and not abortion.

    It feels like you're trying not to understand it.
    This is why I support the death penalty in principle, but not in practice. I believe that heinous killers like John Wayne Gacy or Joel Steinberg deserve to be executed, but I also see how states like Texas and Florida and Alabama are so eager to show off how "tough on crime" they are that they often don't even bother to make sure they got the right guy before they execute him.

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    On this date in 2015, 2016, 2017, as well as 2018, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day published profiles about Daryl Metcalfe, a member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives since 1998 who has, in his ten terms in office, supplied the state legislature with more controversy that perhaps any other member. Back in 2008, he refused to vote for a simple resolution to wish a convention of Muslims that would be visiting the state well, because "Muslims do not recognize Jesus as God," earning him a rebuke from many lawmakers (including Jewish ones who realize the same logic can apply to them). Metcalfe also opposed recognizing Domestic Violence Awareness month because "it had a homosexual agenda", has called military veterans who believe in climate change "traitors", and claims using the 14th Amendment to guarantee birthright citizenship causes people to make "anchor babies" for an "illegal alien invasion", claimed that refugee children from South America in the United States should be immediately deported because they "carry diseases", referred to President Obama's immigration policies as "treasonous", and supports immigration measures as strict as Arizona's SB 1070. (Even though Pennsylvania is pretty damned far away from Mexico, you know?) It should come as little surprise, then, that he has been photographed with, and is a big proponent of the anti-immigrant, anti-government militia group known as the OathKeepers. Metcalfe has been a guest on Alex Jones' InfoWars program where they discussed Israeli agents having infiltrated the Department of Homeland Security and how President Obama was supposedly enacting policies of Cold War communist nations, as well. Big surprise, he's also a Birther, having sponsored legislation to investigate presidential candidates' birth certificates, as well as bills to ban same sex marriage, create stricter Voter ID laws to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters in his state In 2016, and then still insisted that there were “thousands” of cases of voter fraud being perpetrated by people who were not American citizens in the 2016 elections, without any evidence. Metcalfe not only drew widespread criticism for not just sponsoring a bill that would be easily ruled constitutional if passed to make English the official language of the state, but he called Robert Vandevoort, a known White Nationalist leader, to serve as a witness to testify in the bill’s supposed benefits and Metcalfe felt that was okay because he was “just a White Nationalist” and not a White Supremacist. Metcalfe has become even more combative in recent years with Pennsylvania Democrats, who have staged walk-outs due to his insane ramblings calling for the impeachment of the state attorney general for not aggressively enforcing Pennsylvania's Defense of Marriage Act, blocked an LGBT anti-discrimination bill from advancing out of committee back on June 15th, 2016 because he spread the lie that transgendered people are attacking women in restrooms, and once ordered an openly gay legislator silenced during a debate about that bill because he "violates God's law".

    And wow, has Daryl Metcalfe reacted poorly to the news that the gerrymander that Republicans had going for them in Pennsylvania was overturned by judges. Over the past six months, his partisan d***ishness has gone into overdrive, starting back in December of 2017, when he was in a meeting discussing land use, and when Democratic Rep. Matt Bradford gently brushed up against Metcalfe’s forearm, he kicked his homophobia into overdrive:
    Two months later, while most of the country was compelled by the survivors of the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida calling for gun control. Daryl Metcalfe was in no way moved, instead going on social media to make several posts implying that the kids were actors by referring to them as, in quotes, “students”.

    But really, Metcalfe’s main instability comes from his raging homophobia. Because again, a few days after a heated exchange with Democratic legislator Leslie Acosta, who claimed he was threatened by Metcalfe, Metcalfe went on Facebook and published a 18he attacked a Democratic legislator on social media, calling Acosta a liar, but deciding to add that Democratic legislator Bryan Sims was a “lying homosexual”.

    Daryl Metcalfe remains, in our mind, the s***tiest human being in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. But yet, the GOP still are too craven to primary him out of office. Even in a Blue Wave year, Metcalfe’s district is partisan enough to see him re-elected with 58% of the vote. That victory was also not without Metcalfe exhibiting homophobia, as he sent out mailers grousing about his opponent, Daniel Smith Jr., of being in league with“liberal gay activist groups,”and posting an image of Smith with his husband, but referring to him as “the man he calls his ‘husband’”, in quotation marks, arguing that it is because he doesn’t believe marriage exists between any couple that isn’t a man and a woman (Tough s*** Daryl, the Supreme Court says different).

    Since being re-elected, Metcalfe has flexed his lizard brain in the Pennsylvania state legislature some more, going beyond climate change denial in March 2019 and not just hosting a climate change skeptic to give testimony, but during the hearing, claiming that reducing carbon dioxide emissions would “kill his vegetables”.
    We cannot reiterate enough, Daryl Metcalfe has been in office now for OVER TWO DECADES, and has been bugs*** insane the entire time. Maybe, just maybe, his constituents might want to try someone whose elevator goes all the way to the top in 2020? Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidfresh512 View Post
    Love the fetus, don't give a shit about the child. Plain and simple. Meanwhile, I saw a post on Facebook this morning that went something like this:

    "Hey, Alabama! The Handmaid's Tale wasn't meant to be an instruction manual!"
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    Interesting point, one of the Alabama Senators behind the bill, Larry Stutts, is currently be sued. Guess why? Also, other shit with him.







    Man, this guy is a piece of work. You may want to fast track this prick WBE.

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    Since I will be off traveling tomorrow ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
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    Farmers overwhelmingly voted for the orange Nazi & are suffering mightily for it now. Such a shame they're having such a tough time. Pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLGO 13 View Post
    Farmers overwhelmingly voted for the orange Nazi & are suffering mightily for it now. Such a shame they're having such a tough time. Pity.
    Thoughts and prayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLGO 13 View Post
    Farmers overwhelmingly voted for the orange Nazi & are suffering mightily for it now. Such a shame they're having such a tough time. Pity.
    Farm votes have been trending EXTREMELY liberal since 2016, a 2:1 conversion rate.

    That will help shake up rural America more than anything.
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