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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    I think its already been established that no matter how horrible the crime the vast majority of the GOP and its voters are going to continue to support Trump. He was absolutely correct when he said I could shoot someone in the middle of Time Square and youd still support me. Conservative white America is terrified of the cultural shift taking place. Gays can get married, the hispanic population is rising at an accelerated rate, women are standing up to sexual harassment and assault, and we had a black president!!! Oh the humanity! Trump makes conservatives feel safe. Hes a white man who isnt PC (but of course to them being PC means you cant be openly racist and sexist). Trump is going to stand up to foreigners that are apparently invading their land and stop China from stealing our jobs (even though its big business and the US economic policy that is causing these problems).

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    "Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks -- 2017"

    On January 27, Trump signed an executive order – the first version of his Muslim travel ban – that discriminated against Muslims and banned refugees.

    On January 31, under new Chairman Ajit Pai’s leadership, the Federal Communications Commission refused to defend critical components of its prison phone rate rules in federal court – rules that were ultimately struck down in June.

    On February 3, Trump signed an executive order outlining principles for regulating the U.S. financial system and calling for a 120-day review of existing laws, like the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. The order was viewed as Trump’s opening attack on consumer protection laws.

    On February 3, the FCC rescinded its 2014 Joint Sales Agreement (JSA) guidance, which had led to the only increase in television diversity in recent years.

    On February 3, FCC Chairman Pai revoked the Lifeline Broadband Provider (LBP) designations for nine broadband service providers, reducing the number of providers offering broadband and thus decreasing the competitive forces available to drive down prices.

    On February 9, Trump signed three executive orders “to fight crime, gangs, and drugs; restore law and order; and support the dedicated men and women of law enforcement.” The orders, though vague, were viewed suspiciously by civil rights organizations.

    On February 21, the Department of Homeland Security issued a memo updating immigration enforcement guidance, massively expanding the number of people subject to detention and deportation. The guidance drastically increased the use of expedited removal and essentially eliminated the priorities for deportation.

    On February 22, the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division and the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights jointly rescinded Title IX guidance clarifying protections under the law for transgender students.

    On February 23, Attorney General Sessions withdrew an earlier Justice Department memo that set a goal of reducing and ultimately ending the department’s use of private prisons.

    On February 27, the Department of Justice dropped the federal government’s longstanding position that a Texas voter ID law under legal challenge was intentionally racially discriminatory, despite having successfully advanced that argument in multiple federal courts. The district court subsequently rejected the position of the Sessions Justice Department and concluded the law was passed with discriminatory intent.

    On March 6, Trump signed a revised executive order restricting travel to the United States by citizens of Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen and drastically cutting back refugee admissions.

    On March 6, a week after Trump called on lawmakers to repeal the Affordable Care Act during his address to Congress, House Republicans released a proposal to replace the ACA with a law that would restructure Medicaid and defund Planned Parenthood.

    On March 16, the Trump administration released a budget blueprint that proposed a $54 billion increase in military spending that would come from $54 billion in direct cuts to non-defense programs. The blueprint also proposed spending $4.1 billion through 2018 on the beginnings of construction of a wall through communities on the U.S.-Mexico border.

    On March 27, Trump signed a resolution of disapproval under the Congressional Review Act, which repealed a U.S. Department of Education accountability rule finalized last year that would clarify states’ obligations under the Every Student Succeeds Act.

    On March 27, Trump signed a resolution of disapproval under the Congressional Review Act, which repealed the Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces Executive Order. The order, signed by President Obama, represented a much-needed step forward in ensuring that the federal contractor community is providing safe and fair workplaces for employees by encouraging compliance with federal labor and civil rights laws, and prohibiting the use of mandatory arbitration of certain disputes.

    In a March 31 memo, Sessions ordered a sweeping review of consent decrees with law enforcement agencies relating to police conduct – a crucial tool in the Justice Department’s efforts to ensure constitutional and accountable policing. The department also tried, unsuccessfully, to block a federal court in Baltimore from approving a consent decree between the city and the Baltimore Police Department to rein in discriminatory police practices that the department itself had negotiated over a multi-year period.

    On April 13, Trump signed a resolution of disapproval under the Congressional Review Act, which overturned the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ final rule updating the regulations governing the Title X family planning program – a vital source of family planning and related preventive care for low-income, uninsured, and young people across the country.

    On April 26, Trump released an outline of a tax reform plan that was viewed largely as a tax giveaway for the wealthy and big corporations.

    On April 26, Trump signed an executive order directing Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos to conduct a study on the federal government’s role in education.

    On May 4, Trump signed an executive order that he claimed overturned the Johnson Amendment (though it did not), which precludes tax-exempt organizations, including places of worship, from engaging in any political campaign activity and would curtail the contraception mandate of the Affordable Care Act.

    On May 11, Trump signed an executive order creating the so-called Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity headed by Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who has a history of trying to suppress the vote in Kansas.

    On May 12, Sessions announced in a two-page memo that DOJ was abandoning its Smart on Crime initiative that had been hailed as a positive step forward in rehabilitating drug users and reducing the enormous costs of warehousing inmates.

    On May 23, Trump released his fiscal year 2018 budget that included massive, unnecessary tax cuts for the wealthy and large corporations, which would be paid for by slashing basic living standards for the most vulnerable and by attacking critical programs like Social Security Disability Insurance, Medicaid, food assistance, and more.

    On May 23, Trump’s fiscal year 2018 budget proposed eliminating the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP) and transferring its functions to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). This would have impeded the work of both the OFCCP and the EEOC as each have distinct missions and expertise, and would have thereby undermined the civil rights protections that employers and workers have relied on for almost 50 years.

    On June 5, Trump released an infrastructure plan that focuses on putting public assets into private hands, creating another giveaway to wealthy corporations and millionaires at the expense of working families and communities.

    On June 6, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos testified before a Senate appropriations subcommittee and made unclear statements about whether she would allow federal funds to go to schools that discriminate against LGBTQ students. She made similarly troubling statements when testifying before a House committee in late March.

    On June 6, the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights (OCR) issued unclear new instructions on transgender student discrimination.

    On June 8, OCR’s acting head sent a memo to OCR staff discouraging systemic investigations in favor of individual investigations of discrimination.

    On June 14, DeVos decided to delay implementation of and to renegotiate the Borrower Defense to Repayment and Gainful Employment regulations.

    On June 15, the administration rescinded President Obama’s Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA) program, an initiative that – had it gone into effect – would have offered a pathway to citizenship for immigrant parents with children who are citizens or residents of the United States."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    What point are you responding to?
    What objection do you have with him posting it? Sharing knowledge, as well as opinions and discussions, is what we do here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    What point are you responding to?
    It wasn't aimed solely at you, but which dozen or so would you like to address?

    Mainly it's to show you the difference between assumption and actual policy -- your talking points regarding theoretical "open borders" does not justify Republicans attacking and ignoring the civil and human rights of others, whether American citizens or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    It wasn't aimed solely at you, but which dozen or so would you like to address?

    Mainly it's to show you the difference between assumption and actual policy -- your talking points regarding theoretical "open borders" does not justify Republicans attacking and ignoring the civil and human rights of others, whether American citizens or otherwise.
    Just do what I did. Start supporting Open Borders so you don't have to keep arguing with Mets about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    Just do what I did. Start supporting Open Borders so you don't have to keep arguing with Mets about it.
    Nah -- I'd rather continue to speak the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    What objection do you have with him posting it? Sharing knowledge, as well as opinions and discussions, is what we do here.
    I'm trying to determine the context. Does it build on something someone said here? Or is it just stuff he doesn't like about the Trump administration, apropos of nothing? Is he curious about peoples' opinions on something he found online?

    It seems to be a direct quote of something from an organization's website, and I'm guessing he agrees with it, but he hasn't offered an exact position on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    Just do what I did. Start supporting Open Borders so you don't have to keep arguing with Mets about it.
    Open borders isn't really that scary of a position, for the first 100 years of US history there were no immigration restrictions of any kind and indeed immigration was seen as necessary to sustain the growth of the nation. Of course, that was only because most of the early immigrants were white, and the country needed them to swamp native lands with settlers and do the dirty work formerly done by slaves, all to service the grand dream of a white ethnostate in the New World. Once non-whites started showing up in any significant numbers, Congress clamped down on that right quick.

    The very nature of how the USA is set up requires a constant flow of immigrants. Each wave of immigrants starts off doing the undesirable low-paying work, but their children inevitably refuse to do so and aspire to greater social status, so that new workers must be brought in from further afield. This is a product of our collective delusion that an entire country of 300+ million people can somehow all simultaneously live comfortable middle class lifestyles, and that these lifestyles are somehow sustained by our own hard work and ingenuity rather than relying on the exploitation of billions, some at home and others abroad. Once we can all admit that we are full of shit about that, then we can start talking about limiting immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I'm trying to determine the context. Does it build on something someone said here? Or is it just stuff he doesn't like about the Trump administration, apropos of nothing? Is he curious about peoples' opinions on something he found online?

    It seems to be a direct quote of something from an organization's website, and I'm guessing he agrees with it, but he hasn't offered an exact position on it.
    Or perhaps the purpose was to describe just how cruel, immoral and inhumane YOUR party is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InformationGeek View Post
    NB4 someone goes "Oh, he is just clowning about. Quit whining over humor you PC babies!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    If there's a tyranny, it's going to be a good thing the populace is armed.
    You assume the people with the guns will be pointing them at the tyrant rather than the people the tyrant claims are causing the problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Or perhaps the purpose was to describe just how cruel, immoral and inhumane YOUR party is.
    That would be my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Since 1981, Democrats have only had complete control of the Executive and legislative branch for four years. The party has also gotten more radical on immigration since the first two years of the Obama administration.
    I for one, speaking as someone that lurks for long stretches but still pays attention, would take your efforts at supposition and sifting for evidence of a hidden Democratic agenda a bit more seriously if you have not been dismissing concerns about Republican actions as hysteria even when they are very explicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman View Post
    I think it’s already been established that no matter how horrible the crime the vast majority of the GOP and its voters are going to continue to support Trump. He was absolutely correct when he said “I could shoot someone in the middle of Time Square and you’d still support me.” Conservative white America is terrified of the cultural shift taking place. Gays can get married, the hispanic population is rising at an accelerated rate, women are standing up to sexual harassment and assault, and we had a black president!!! Oh the humanity! Trump makes conservatives feel safe. He’s a white man who isn’t “PC” (but of course to them being PC means you can’t be openly racist and sexist). Trump is going to stand up to foreigners that are apparently invading their land and stop China from stealing our jobs (even though it’s big business and the US economic policy that is causing these problems).
    Its about abortion.

    If you believe abortion is murder than this is likely your top issue and also likely FAR more important than any issue. So you are going to support the candidate warts and all that that will pass laws and appoint judges who will limit abortion rather than a candidate that supports baby killing.

    Because the left doesn't view the unborn as life I think a lot of the left have trouble grasping just how important this topic is over everything else to much of the right. I'm sure the majority of right wingers would rather have a pro lifer like Pence as president since he isn't going to be acting like a petulant child all the time but they'll continue supporting Trump so long as he flies the anti abortion flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
    Its about abortion.

    If you believe abortion is murder than this is likely your top issue and also likely FAR more important than any issue. So you are going to support the candidate warts and all that that will pass laws and appoint judges who will limit abortion rather than a candidate that supports baby killing.

    Because the left doesn't view the unborn as life I think a lot of the left have trouble grasping just how important this topic is over everything else to much of the right. I'm sure the majority of right wingers would rather have a pro lifer like Pence as president since he isn't going to be acting like a petulant child all the time but they'll continue supporting Trump so long as he flies the anti abortion flag.
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    This could have a lot to do with it too. Just sayin'.

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