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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    I think it is fair and realistic to criticize people for paying too much attention to polls this far out, and you obviously disagree. That's how discourse works and I'm fine with that. I feel that the polls are being pushed to somehow create a self-fulfilling prophesy of Biden and/or control the narrative to support him as the nominee, and I don't think anyone should be fine with that.

    I did notice you declined to respond to all the ways polls can be made to have misleading results, the ones used regularly to manipulate what they can then call 'public opinion' in a audio blurb or campaign mailer. I'd encourage you and 'many people' to look into such information to see how valid it is and verify your sources and the stories you find. Nobody is perfect in this, but if the past few years has taught the public anything it should be to give everything you are exposed to a rigorous smell test.
    I didn't respond because skepticism about polling is earned and necessary. You're right about all the ways it can be in error or misleading. However, merely having the media discuss polls is not an endorsement. The initial article took that stance and had flimsy backing for doing so.

    We will discuss polls for the next year and change. We should always view them skeptically. We should also avoid making the media the scapegoat if the person we want isn't getting the most discussion. Biden right now has the most steam by the best measure we have, but there's a lot of time and the race hasn't really started. So if you're anti-Biden, there's no need to go down the route of that article yet. Or really at all. "Blame the media" is a dumbass right-wing thing. Let's let them have that and be the adults.

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    Trump Says He Doesn’t Know If North Korea Is Building Nuclear Weapons: ‘I Hope Not’

    Speaking to ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, the president stressed his “very strong relationship” with the “very smart” Kim Jong Un. Yeah, smart enough to play Caramel Caligula like a cheap fiddle. Everyone knows Kim isn't giving up his nukes, everyone EXCEPT Trump.

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    Mike Pompeo Fumes Over Fox News Host’s Question On Trump’s Foreign Intel Remarks

    The secretary of state snapped at Fox News’ Chris Wallace for asking about “a Washington piece of silliness.” Pompous Pompeo has it all kinds of wrong. A president publicly admitting he'd take intelligence on opponents from a foreign government ISN'T silly, it's fucking alarming.

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    Trump Team Cuts Ties With Pollsters After Dismal Polling Numbers Leaked

    Trump insisted the data, which put him behind Joe Biden in key states, came from “fake polls” and he’s actually winning “very big.” Suuuuuuuuuuuure. Whatever you say, Donnie.

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    Trump Wonders If Supporters Would ‘Demand’ He ‘Stay Longer’ Than 2 Terms

    The president has ruminated before about serving more than two terms, a scenario the Constitution bars. And until there's a change in the Constitution, two is the max. Oh, and there's no guarantee Trump will get that second term, even though it's clear he wants to be president for life.

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    Chilling Video Shows Cop Aiming Gun At Black Family After Girl, 4, Takes Doll From Store

    “I’m going to shoot you in your face,” a Phoenix officer shouts at a couple in front of their two children. Short and sweet, that motherfucker needs to be fired!
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    In both 2015, 2016, as well as 2017, "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" published profiles of Pat McDonough, a member of the Maryland House of Delegates who is also a conservative talk radio host (yes, this is going the way you think it will) whose entire political lifeblood seems to be to subsist on a constant stream of race-baiting to motivate conservatives. Since 2010, there have been multiple instances of McDonough complaining about Mexican immigrants not speaking English (in Maryland) and people celebrating pro-immigration victories by "popping their tequila corks", whining about "black youth mobs" running amok, and campaigning for all immigrants to have driver's licenses rejected by falsely claiming 9/11 hijackers got their licenses in Maryland. He responded to the Baltimore riots in 2015 after the death of Freddie Gray by suggesting protesters' parents should "have their food stamps taken away" for those people using their First Amendment rights to protest, and wanted the death penalty to be reestablished in Maryland and instituted in any case where a police officer is attacked. McDonough's legislative playbook is much the same, as he tends to submit the most extreme anti-immigrant legislation his warped mind can come up with. In 2016, though, he began a new focus on transphobia, as he supported legislation on transgender bathroom access. As we predicted in our original profile of McDonough, he took a shot at higher office in 2016, trying to get elected to the U.S. House of Representatives Maryland's 2nd Congressional District, but was crushed by incumbent Democrat Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, only getting 33% of the vote in the general election. McDonough will hopefully begin fading from relevance, as he’s currently trying to weasel his way back into some political office by running for Baltimore County Executive, while using his radio talk show for propaganda purposes, such as lying about how the FBI raided the office of a Maryland GOP consulting firm. McDonough’s elected career seems to be over.



    On this date one year ago, “Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day” gave our original, long-overdue profile of the sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives from California’s 22nd District, Devin Nunes, who has rocketed up into our “must profile” list over the past two years after actions he took his role in the Trump transition team, as well as in the Republican House Intelligence Committee’s joke of an investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Trump transition team with Russia. Because it’s not so much that Rep. Nunes has made Trump look like a traitor, or that he’s made his campaign look like traitors, or that he’s made himself look like he was covering up his own potentially treasonous actions… no, Devin Nunes has drawn our scrutiny because he’s so goddamned transparent and incompetent of how to cover up a scandal, he may as well have been trying to put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.

    Devin Nunes spent his high school days back in the 1990s rocking a mullet and passing the time like you would think a guy with a mullet would, then first fan for Congress at the age of 29 back in 2002, winning and spending six years quietly going about his business as most Bush-era Republicans, using patriotism after 9-11 as a shield against any criticism. Nothing too interesting about him, through that stretch.

    Of course, Rep. Nunes’ tone changed around 2009, in the face of Democrats having control over the White House, Senate, and House, when during the debate over the soon-to-be-passed Affordable Care Act, he spitefully claimed it was bringing back “ghosts of communism”, which we’re sure in no way was any kind of hyperbole about democratic socialism. Fast forward a few years to February of 2014, and the Congressman was also going “all-in” on climate change denial, during one of the worst droughts in the history of California, no less, when he declared “global warming is nonsense”.

    Other than that, Nunes spent the second half of the Obama administration wasting taxpayer dollars so that conspiracy theory nuts could bay at the moon over theories about the attack on an American-controlled compound in Benghazi, but after years of promising some clear links to wrongdoing by President Obama or Hillary Clinton, Rep. Nunes and his GOP-controlled House Intelligence Committee investigation ended up having to debunk most of their own theories.

    Still, all of that partisanship brought Devin Nunes to the attention of the Trump campaign, and he was quickly brought on as a member of the Trump transition team. Only days after the inauguration, Nunes was entrenched enough with the secrets of Team Trump and on their side that he was backing his Muslim ban, in spite of the fact that, y’know, it was unconstitutional as f*** and most national security experts thought it actually would make foreign relations far, far worse.

    Less than a month into the Trump administration, though, the whispers of links between the Trump campaign and the Trump transition team trying to set up secret meetings with Russians were growing to a claxon alarm… and Devin Nunes, the man who only a few years earlier was whining about healthcare reform bringing back “the ghosts of Communism” was suddenly referring to the reports from the FBI, CIA, and others in the intelligence community as a “Witchhunt” or a new “McCarthyism. It’s only apparently Nunes who’s allowed to fear-monger about the commies, you see, and when his own party literally has their candidate linked to the leftovers of the KGB to swing the American elections that it’s dirty pool to talk about it.

    And let’s be honest, it’s around March of 2017 where Nunes done f***ed up when it came to being a covert operative trying to help out the Trump administration and himself. As the great John Oliver summed it up, Devin Nunes managed to become a key player in “Stupid Watergate”, where if Watergate were happening again, but everyone involved was very, very stupid. Nunes was caught leaking classified information found during the intelligence community’s investigation into the Trump campaign and Trump transition team directly back to the White House and then blurting it out to the public outside the White House to frame public opinion in Trump’s favor. Similarly to how Attorney General Jeff Sessions was forced to recuse himself from the Department of Justice’s inquiries into Trump/Russia because of his own involvement, Nunes was forced to step aside after leaking classified information to the White House, then the public.
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    Except, Devin Nunes is completely full of s*** that he’s no longer tainting the House Intelligence committee’s investigation, especially when he’s caught by the media sending his own investigators on taxpayer’s dime to the United Kingdom to try and find Christopher Steele, author of the Steele Dossier. (Note: They failed, using House Intelligence Committee position to taint investigation and attack the FBI investigators.) As time goes by, though, Nunes has become less and less subtle about putting his thumb on the scale, moving on to actually outright talk of “corruption” he’s imagining is happening at the Bureau, trying to throw up smokescreens to distract from the Trump/Russia investigation like say, demanding an investigation Hillary Clinton over the conspiracy theory Uranium One in December of 2017, because no Republican would enjoy giving a Christmas gift to their party like continuing to waste taxpayer dollars harassing Hillary Clinton for daring to be both a Democrat and a woman seeking the presidency. and of course, choosing the FBI’s surveillance of Carter Page, the most suspicious Russian operative in the entire Trump/Russia operation to be the hill to die on, by writing a memo about it, saying it was full of “shocking revelations” but once it was released, would do little but make Nunes look like even more of an incompetent boob.

    By February of 2018, Congressman Nunes was caught funding his own alternative news site to try and manipulate what “news” was being spread about the Trump/Russia investigation, and that in no way mirrored how the intelligence community reported on how the 2016 election was tainted by Russian bots spreading those kinds of stories, right? It's dragged on now to where Nunes has started threatening senior members of the FBI and Department of Justice with impeachment for not revealing all of the information they’ve gathered during their investigation of the links between Trump and Russia (when by now, Nunes is supposed to have recused himself anyway, and has already shown he’d leak classified information for partisan reasons) and he’s been left with no other option but to go on Fox & Friends to claim that the Trump campaign was “set up” by the FBI.

    It's almost as if Devin Nunes has some personal stake invested in the matter, you know? Like, more than the average Republican who will just look the other way, Nunes seems to want to outright taint the investigation and declare it over… like how he might in some way be implicated in illegal activity because of things he did as a member of the Trump transition…

    California’s 22nd District has a +8 Republican lean in the Cook Partisan Voting Index, and in 2018, he only managed 53% at the polls. Nunes has not ceased has flagrant attempts to prop up the Trump administration:



    Devin Nunes is not your “average” Republican, he’s the sea-worthy douche-canoe using what power he has to prop up in incompetent racist s***heel in the White House. And sooner or later, the voters of his district might want to realize how much he honestly doesn't care about anything that isn't a rich Republican living in it, even if it jeopardizes the very national security of our country, and our democratic elections.
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    How well can you do on this? I got 89 percent.

    https://marginalrevolution.com/margi...storyline.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    How well can you do on this? I got 89 percent.

    https://marginalrevolution.com/margi...storyline.html
    I got 90%. The one that killed me was that I didn't make the dive big enough for the NY murder rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    I didn't respond because skepticism about polling is earned and necessary. You're right about all the ways it can be in error or misleading. However, merely having the media discuss polls is not an endorsement. The initial article took that stance and had flimsy backing for doing so.

    We will discuss polls for the next year and change. We should always view them skeptically. We should also avoid making the media the scapegoat if the person we want isn't getting the most discussion. Biden right now has the most steam by the best measure we have, but there's a lot of time and the race hasn't really started. So if you're anti-Biden, there's no need to go down the route of that article yet. Or really at all. "Blame the media" is a dumbass right-wing thing. Let's let them have that and be the adults.
    While we shouldn't blame the media in general, I think we can blame certain media outlets or presenters for specific issues. What immediately comes to mind is how Jon Stewart used to criticize CNN for emphasizing the bells and whistles they used to try and dazzle us over actually reporting the news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    While we shouldn't blame the media in general, I think we can blame certain media outlets or presenters for specific issues. What immediately comes to mind is how Jon Stewart used to criticize CNN for emphasizing the bells and whistles they used to try and dazzle us over actually reporting the news.
    Totally fair. The media deserves criticism. It doesnt deserve scapegoating.

    That is the right's boogeyman. No need to climb on that boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    Totally fair. The media deserves criticism. It doesnt deserve scapegoating.

    That is the right's boogeyman. No need to climb on that boat.
    Considering the media's role in 2016's results, I disagree. They need to do a better job of reporting the truth and standing up to the accusations of bias for reporting the truth.

    To give an example of why I think they need to be held accountable, I hope you remember how the media just ran along with Barr's initial interpretation of the Muller report before it had actually been released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    Considering the media's role in 2016's results, I disagree. They need to do a better job of reporting the truth and standing up to the accusations of bias for reporting the truth.

    To give an example of why I think they need to be held accountable, I hope you remember how the media just ran along with Barr's initial interpretation of the Muller report before it had actually been released.
    I would suggest it's hard to take that claim seriously because "the media" is so vague it's not helpful. You're going to have to be more specific about which network and who. Otherwise you're doing the boogeyman thing.

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    when people speak of "the media," i assume that they are talking about CNN and MSNBC. FOX doesn't really count as news. me, i generally watch the youtube sources (young turks, majority report, etc). but i count that as something other than "the media." independent news maybe.
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    Speaking of "youtube sources":

    Alex "Inforwars" Jones might actually end up getting killed in jail.

    BRIDGEPORT - Conspiracy theorist and InfoWars host Alex Jones sent child pornography to the lawyers for the families of the Sandy Hook tragedy, their lawyers said.

    The law firm representing the families of the 2012 mass shooting, stated in court documents filed Monday they have contacted the FBI after discovering child porn in electronic files Jones recently turned over to the Sandy Hook families as a result of their lawsuit against him for calling the tragedy a hoax.

    Jones publicly responded on a broadcast of his show that he is being framed by Chris Mattei, the lawyer for the Sandy Hook families and went on making what Mattei and his law firm, Koskoff, Koskoff and Bieder claim are threats against them.

    “You’re trying to set me up with child porn, I’ll get your ass,” Jones states on the broadcast. “One million dollars, you little gang members. One million dollars to put your head on a pike.” Jones then pounds a photograph of Mattei and goes into a rant at one point stating, “I’m gonna kill…”

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    He is just the scum of the earth. What an awful, awful human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theleviathan View Post
    He is just the scum of the earth. What an awful, awful human being.
    Why are you insulting scum by comparing it to Alex Jones?

    Jones isn't just the bottom of the barrel, he's the bottom of the septic tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    Why are you insulting scum by comparing it to Alex Jones?

    Jones isn't just the bottom of the barrel, he's the bottom of the septic tank.
    Pfft. Now you're being mean to septic tanks and human waste

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