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    What the flying fuck was that nimrod doing with a goddamn gun in a diaper bag? Morons like him are proof that the gene pool is in serious need of cleaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Ah, yes. The evil Neera Tanden. *eyeroll*
    Luckily, your post is the only time I have seen anyone characterize her as "Evil".

    That said, "Divisive" is not exactly a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    What the flying fuck was that nimrod doing with a goddamn gun in a diaper bag? Morons like him are proof that the gene pool is in serious need of cleaning.
    Well, that is an entirely separate discussion.

    That a gun can very easily go off and kill someone is one issue.

    The specifics in this instance is another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Luckily, your post is the only time I have seen anyone characterize her as "Evil".

    That said, "Divisive" is not exactly a stretch.
    You don't spend enough time on twitter but hey I won't go hunting to find all the stuff thrown at her on there just to have you shift goalposts again. <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    You don't spend enough time on twitter but hey I won't go hunting to find all the stuff thrown at her on there just to have you shift goalposts again. <3
    Which would have absolutely nothing to do with if her trying to lump Sanders in with wealthy folks who actually are the problem is divisive or not.

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    Never mind having the nerve to talk about hypocrisy when you get your cash in the places said outfit does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farealmer View Post
    Mets, I am going to ask you outright, how do you feel about open borders? Because you are comparing homophobia, anti-Semitism, and misogyny to open borders as far as the seriousness of elected officials unofficially advocating them. You mentioned before open borders have moral arguments in their favor, do you believe homophobia, anti Semitism, and misogyny do to? If not why compare them?
    I believe open borders would be a terrible policy.

    It comes from people who mean well, but that's irrelevant.

    I compare open borders to homophobia, anti Semitism and misogyny because for the most part those are policies Democrats reject, and rightly so. The claim is that Democrats reject open borders, so I'm interrogating that.

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    And I'll note that you don't answer questions and dodge facts when you're being dishonest and someone calls you out for it.

    It isn't a "potshot" to use factchecks to note that you're making a false argument in accusing the Democrats of wanting "open borders" and to "abolish ICE" nor is it a "potshot" to ask why a "moral" person would support a Republican party -- and openly echo a Republican president -- that routinely traffics in lies, corruption, racism, Islamophobia, homophobia, warmongering, and fiscal irresponsibility.
    Democrats are able to at any point disavow anyone who supports abolishing ICE, or open borders, with the vigor they reserve for anyone who dressed in blackface in the 1980s and would be replaced by someone who hasn't been accused of sexual assault. They don't quite do that.

    I'll answer politely worded questions, but not intellectually dishonest questions. For example, you seem to assume I'm echoing Trump, that I came across a point of his, and made a conscious point to repeat it. My points on open borders aren't made because of anything Trump (a guy I didn't vote for last time, and don't intend to vote for next time) said, but because of arguments I've come across elsewhere (the main source being Ezra Klein's podcast interviews). I suspect a reason Trump brings up open borders is that he recognizes this is a topic that makes Democrats uncomfortable, because they are unwilling to define clear preferred limits on legal immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    Oh yeah, the kiddy diddler we can't call a pedophile because certain posters complained it wasn't accurate.
    Do you disagree with any point made earlier?

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    I see Mets still wants to push the Republican line that immigration is the most important issue we face and it is a major conflict betweeen the parties.
    Of course before Trump, it was a solvable bi-partisan issue. But I guess he likes where his Party and it's leader is on this issue.
    Immigration is one of the most important issues, and a major conflict between parties. If it was a solvable issue, it would have been addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Democrats are able to at any point disavow anyone who supports abolishing ICE, or open borders, with the vigor they reserve for anyone who dressed in blackface in the 1980s and would be replaced by someone who hasn't been accused of sexual assault. They don't quite do that.

    I'll answer politely worded questions, but not intellectually dishonest questions. For example, you seem to assume I'm echoing Trump, that I came across a point of his, and made a conscious point to repeat it. My points on open borders aren't made because of anything Trump (a guy I didn't vote for last time, and don't intend to vote for next time) said, but because of arguments I've come across elsewhere (the main source being Ezra Klein's podcast interviews). I suspect a reason Trump brings up open borders is that he recognizes this is a topic that makes Democrats uncomfortable, because they are unwilling to define clear preferred limits on legal immigration.
    Again, it isn't something that needs a definite limit--especially if that definite limit is a racist and antiquated system of quotas that were designed to keep brown and black people out (because we can accept more from predominantly white countries). The amount that we should see should vary from year to year. The question is if you have clearly defined rules for what are qualifiers for getting into the country legally, have a nationwide e-Verify system that would ensure that no employer, across the country, would be able to employ undocumented immigrants, allow the undocumented immigrants already here an opportunity to stay through a particular avenue, secure the border in a way that yields superior results to a wall because of its technological posterity, why do you actually need to have a clear defined limit on immigration?

    I mean, if an individual meets the qualifications for entry, why should we expect that they should be kept out for years on end? Now, there are limits to the kinds of Visas that are approved. I've seen no Democrat, particularly in the presidential race, argue that Visas should be handed out without regard for what the economy actually needs. There are good reasons to indicate that we should raise the amount of Visas in particular service jobs, such as agriculture, but certainly not to the point of excess of what the economy actually requires. Thus, an immigration reform package would be one that would communicate with industry leaders about how many they actually need and adjust the Visa limit appropriately and allow for all qualified candidates to be processed as fast as they can. Especially as native-born Americans move towards higher level private sector jobs, and have fewer kids, there needs to be new individuals to fill service level jobs that do require full time positions (regardless of what many Republicans say about service sector jobs being for high school kids--just remember that the next time you stop at Target to shop or McDonald's for lunch during the week days).

    There has also been plenty of evidence that approximately half of the year-over-year increase in GDP growth since the Industrial Revolution has been a result of the larger numbers of people entering the work force. However, our population growth has slowed to replacement level in the United States. A substantial population that had ballooned the size of the labor market (baby boomers) are reaching retirement age without a larger generation entering the labor pool. This will result in a contraction of the labor market and can slow down GDP growth even further. Indeed, it is a big part of the reason why we've seen the slow down, even post-recession, in GDP growth. The situation gets even more dire as the baby boomers die off, because they are the most socioeconomically well off age-wise demographic group. They went to school in a time when a minimum wage job could provide a year's tuition to our nation's best schools if you only worked full time in the summers. Now, children are faced with crushing debt. People are having fewer kids because of the financial strain that is placed on them. As a result, financial strain and fewer children, businesses will see their domestic consumer base start to shrink. They can push their products internationally to maintain growth but the Republican Party has also become an anti-trade party as well.

    The truth is that a xenophobic and an anti-trade party is bad for the economy, especially if that party doesn't do anything to address the issue of the cost of living increasing at a much faster rate than the earnings of graduates, be they from high school or college. Saying there needs to be reforms done to the systems in place for immigration to make it easier to legally immigrate are not just moral moves, but, ultimately, the necessary moves to make. We need to make sure our legal process moves quicker. But we can't put down clear, defined limits on all kinds of limitations at all times. That's not only unrealistic and immoral, it's dangerous thinking. It isn't an open borders policy to state that we will have to evaluate the situation, year by year, and then decide on that years limit for which kind of Visas get increased or decreased based on economic needs. From there, it is just a matter of ensuring that we process applications faster and do our part to make it less of a multi-year process to enter the country. But Democrats aren't saying that there need not be any kind of legal process for entry. I just think they are making the point that it needs to be modernized and remove the antiquated parts about our immigration system that 1) are ineffective and 2) cost a lot of money to be that way.
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    Did we report Joey Salads is running for congress?

    You know, this guy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Democrats are able to at any point disavow anyone who supports abolishing ICE, or open borders, with the vigor they reserve for anyone who dressed in blackface in the 1980s and would be replaced by someone who hasn't been accused of sexual assault. They don't quite do that.

    I'll answer politely worded questions, but not intellectually dishonest questions. For example, you seem to assume I'm echoing Trump, that I came across a point of his, and made a conscious point to repeat it. My points on open borders aren't made because of anything Trump (a guy I didn't vote for last time, and don't intend to vote for next time) said, but because of arguments I've come across elsewhere (the main source being Ezra Klein's podcast interviews). I suspect a reason Trump brings up open borders is that he recognizes this is a topic that makes Democrats uncomfortable, because they are unwilling to define clear preferred limits on legal immigration.
    You are echoing Trump -- whether intentionally or otherwise -- if you're saying exactly the same thing he is and you are being dishonest when you still argue that Democrats are for "open borders" and "abolishing ICE" when I provide factual evidence that isn't the case -- pointing out the truth is not a personal attack unless you are so engaged in the lie that you can't separate yourself from it.

    Moreover, I'm not being "impolite" -- I'm just not allowing you to frame the argument so that you can debate using a false accusation steeped in biased "inference" rather than actual fact. Nearly every here has pointed out how intellectually insulting your "T-shirt" argument is, yet you still persist in trying to act as if it is something that others should take seriously -- more seriously than actual Democratic policy, in fact, because that's the only way you can distract from your party's inherent corruption (i.e. The Mueller Report, gerrymandering, the Trump presidency, etc).

    There's nothing impolite about asking why you support a party that you know frequently engages in lying, corruption, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, and fiscal irresponsibility -- in reality, it's you who is uncomfortable dealing with the facts about your party, not the Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Do you disagree with any point made earlier?
    Well the one where when you start screwing with kids you still have the right to have people defend you because the verbiage isn't quite right. In court those sorts of distinctions matter and technicalities can get the most guilty off scott free - but the real world isn't a court of law.

    Pedophile, kiddy diddler, age-based predator, whatever term suits the person bringing Moore up is suitable as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    Well the one where when you start screwing with kids you still have the right to have people defend you because the verbiage isn't quite right. In court those sorts of distinctions matter and technicalities can get the most guilty off scott free - but the real world isn't a court of law.

    Pedophile, kiddy diddler, age-based predator, whatever term suits the person bringing Moore up is suitable as far as I'm concerned.
    Everyone knows what is meant by it, yes, except people who like to play 'gotcha' games. It's not dissimilar to the 'We're not a democracy, we're a republic!' bull we see trotted out frequently.

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    Far-Right Activists Are Taking Their Message To Gen Z On TikTok

    The video-sharing app has let hate speech flourish as a growing number of users, many of them young, flock to TikTok. The only thing worse than far right shitstains influencing young minds are the people running TikTok refusing to eliminate hate speech.

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    Trump Vetoes Bill To End U.S. Support For Saudis In Yemen War

    The bill passed with bipartisan support in the House and Senate. This was all about Trump sucking up to Saudis by killing that bill. Disgustingly predictable.

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    'May God Rest Their Soul': Trump Ripped Over Creepy Tweet About 2020 Rivals

    The president used a morbid phrase in a tweet about Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. What the fuck is wrong with that man?

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    Trump ‘Scared Of Our Campaign,’ Says Sanders As President Tweetbombs About ‘Crazy Bernie’

    The president has mentioned “Crazy Bernie Sanders” four times in less than 12 hours. Which means Bernie has the full attention of Trump who, like all bullies, hate what they fear.

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    Sean Hannity Guest Falsely Claims Ilhan Omar Is ‘Infatuated’ With Terrorism

    The Muslim congresswoman has received death threats because conservative media took her comments about 9/11 out of context. Revolting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Trump ‘Scared Of Our Campaign,’ Says Sanders As President Tweetbombs About ‘Crazy Bernie’

    The president has mentioned “Crazy Bernie Sanders” four times in less than 12 hours. Which means Bernie has the full attention of Trump who, like all bullies, hate what they fear.
    Of course he did. Bernie went on Fox News, Trump's last bastion of unfiltered echo chamber is state television. He probably almost had a stroke.
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    On this date in 2015, 2016, 2017, as well as 2018, "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" published profiles of the sitting U.S. House Representative from North Carolina’s 3rd Congressional District, Walter Jones, whose biggest claim to fame is that during the build up to the Iraq War, when France refused to join the United States in invading, he responded by submitting a resolution to have French Fries in the Capitol cafeteria renamed "Freedom Fries". He was also a big supporter of Ilario Pantano, a U.S. Soldier from Iraq who was placed on military trial for killing two Iraqi citizens and displaying their corpses with a sign saying, "No better friend, no worse enemy." Of course, Jones seems rather fine with anti-Muslim measures himself, considering he's publicly complained about community colleges in his district spending money on copies of textbooks on Islam or Muslim culture, called for defunding the Obama administration to stop the resettlement of Muslim refugees, and has tried to get classified information about 9/11 declassified, claiming that Saudi Arabia would be secretly revealed to have funded the attacks. He has also discussed impeaching President Obama for his executive orders on immigration, and going on the conservative news network Newsmax to be interviewed by former Congressman J.D. Hayworth to say he felt Republicans have a “Constitutional duty to impeach President Obama”. As late as June of 2015, Rep. Jones was repeating lies about how the Affordable Care Act would create “death panels”, over a half-decade after it was named Politifact’s “Lie of the Year”. Walter Jones also is a repeated guest of Alex Jones' InfoWars, agreeing with the host on one episode that "abortion is a curse upon America", and that if it was stopped, the curse would be lifted.

    Walter Jones has been sabotaging the Republican Party’s biggest establishment names for the past few years. We discussed in our original profile of Jones that he recanted his belief that the War on Iraq was justified (that’s right, even the Freedom Fries guy has hindsight). By the end of the Bush administration, Jones was more than willing to throw Dubya under the bus, and lay blame with him for the deaths of thousands of American troops in a conflict we stared because of selectively presented evidence against the Hussein regime. And that guilt and resentment over his Iraq War vote carried over to the rest of the Bush family, it seems, because while Jeb Bush was trying his damnedest to make some headway in the 2016 Presidential Primary, Walter Jones was right there to chuck Jeb under the bus over it, as well, going on Alex Jones’ InfoWars (again) in August 2015 to do so, saying, “If my brother had sent 4,000 Americans to die in an unnecessary war, I don’t believe I’d be making those statements. We never had to go into Iraq. It was manufactured intelligence. We had no business going into Iraq, taking out Saddam is part of the problem that we’ve got with the Middle East right now.”

    And he still wasn’t done. Through most of the summer and early fall of 2015, Walter Jones was working with the House Freedom Caucus, a group of the most obstinate, pigheaded, and deranged Republicans in all of Congress, to push for the resignation of House Speaker John Boehner, who they no longer trusted because they felt he compromised with Democrats too much. (Think about that for a second… John Boehner compromised too much in his mind.) Rep. Kevin McCarthy was fast-tracked to be John Boehner’s replacement as House Speaker, and while McCarthy certainly did botch his step into the media spotlight for the job, it certainly didn’t help that Walter Jones sent out a letter to Congresswoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers than implied Rep. McCarthy was having an affair with another woman, who many speculated was fellow Congresswoman Renee Ellmers.

    Walter Jones survived three consecutive attempts by the national Republican Party to bounce him from office in a primary election, winning another term in 2018. He would not, however, survive his own health, though, as only a month after he announced he would retire from office in 2020, Jones suddenly passed away at the age of 76, leaving behind one of the most bizarre, all-over-the-road political legacies of any modern Republican.
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