Oh, and just to be clear, my current leanings as far as Democratic Candidates go are Warren, Booker, Harris, and Castro.
Oh, and just to be clear, my current leanings as far as Democratic Candidates go are Warren, Booker, Harris, and Castro.
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The First Democratic Debate In Five Charts
Thursday night was the conclusion of the first Democratic primary debate, and, like everybody else, we’re trying to make sense of what we watched. Some candidates had breakout moments while others were pushed to the sidelines. But did these moments really make a difference to viewers?
In an attempt to answer this question, we are trying to sum up the first debate in five charts, including: our poll with Morning Consult, which is tracking the same group of voters’ feelings about the candidates and how they change after the debates; a look at which candidates gained the most followers on Twitter; and of course, how much each of the candidates spoke, including whether they mentioned President Trump.
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Twitter LinkA reporter asked if Trump agreed with Putin that "Western-style liberalism" was in decline. Trump, either not answering or understanding the question, then criticized LA and SF, which he said are "sad to look at" because they're "run by liberal people."
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Luis Alvarez fought for 9/11 first responders who became sick. He has died at 53.
Earlier this month, former New York police detective Luis Alvarez delivered a heartbreaking plea to Congress to extend the Sept. 11 Victim Compensation Fund, which provides financial assistance to first responders who had developed illnesses after responding to the 2001 terrorist attacks.
On Saturday, his family confirmed that the veteran of the NYPD had died at age 53, having succumbed the cancer he developed years after working at Ground Zero.
Family spokesman Matt McCauley confirmed to The Post that Alvarez had passed in the early hours of Saturday morning due to “9/11-related cancer.” Alvarez, who spent developed colorectal and liver cancer in 2016.
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Yeah. He sounded like he thought it was a "gotcha" question about how he never had to take the bus to school, having his father's limo to take him to boarding school. I'm surprised he didn't say, "I know poor kids have to take the bus to school. I know that not everyone has a limo."
Sure it's more about wanting to see Trump removed from office than caring about the Democratic party.
It's a "conservative" perspective, but still worth noting in terms of objectivity with regards to those looking for a reason to vote Democratic against Trump.
Anyway, my point was more about the issue of chaotic and self-defeating infighting -- not debating political differences in a rational matter.
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Republicans labeled Obama a socialist and it was effective as well.i don’t care for moderate Democrats if they are going to take up the mantle of Republicans and using their talk.
Also that’s kind of bs that moderates are who people vote for and who have been making effective policy. Progressives consistently have the more popular policies and were a big reason Democrats won the house back. Every policy you have listed moderates have stumbled over. Police reform, Biden cosponsored and abhorend crime bill, Buttegieg is mucking up issues in his own state, even Harris’ biggest drawback is her prosecuting decisions. LGBT rights? No sorry moderate Democrats don’t get to take credit for their cowardice on that. The courts did that. The courts made it legal across the country and then the SCOTUS ended it. Just because they turned around and said “oh I really supported gay rights the entire time doesn’t change their ineffectiveness and unwillingness when mattered. Moderates allowed the ACA to get neutered with a super majority and now it’s falling apart. The signature accomplishment of the last time Dems took power is still a contentious issue across the country, we don’t have universal healthcare, you compromised with Republicans too much to get that.
There’s so much inaccuracy in what you said. Every Dem is going to get labeled a socialist. Get used to it. The moderates only want unity and compromise on their terms. The party is shifting and they better figure out if they want to stand with Republicans and argue their points or use tried and true methods that are popular to address the issues we have
Scarborough only cares because he realizes the damage Trump is doing. He wants him gone but he wants someone to the right who will be business as usual so he can justify voting for them and then Republicans can have a punching bag to go after until they are ready for another run.
You know what you never heard any of the 2016 Republicans say? How can we appeal more to those Democrats and get them to justify voting for us. They made sure their house was in check.
They didn't say it out loud, they just campaigned on things that wouldn't annoy independents and moderates. Trump doesn't win without converting a lot of those hope and change Obama voters, blue collar workers, and farmers.
It was total nonsense for those people to trust Republicans and Trump....yet they did. Continuing to shit on bringing them into the voting coalition is mind-numbing. People act like a little sacrifice in rhetoric and attention in the name of a broader coalition is a betrayal. It's so self-centered and ridiculous.
All those policies you give primacy to don't mean a damn thing without the power to enact them. So you have to gain that power first and that means a broad coalition.
You've said that repeatedly but the bottom line is that your chosen candidate has yet to win the popular vote in the primaries much less the general election while "moderates" (like Clinton and Obama) are the ones who the people continue to vote for when presented with the choice between "progressives" and "moderates" even on the "left", and those are likewise the candidates who pass (or attempt to pass) "progressive" legislation once in power.
And while I'm not going to sit here and waste time arguing with you about the objectively reality where "progressives" are not the mainstream choice of the vast majority of American voters, I will point out that while you sit here fighting over who is the most "progressive" you are ignoring the fact that other voters (like myself) have a completely different view on "moderate" politics and will vote accordingly.
You likewise want to ignore the African-American vote when it suits your "progressive" interests and act as if it's "your way or the highway" when it comes to voting -- you're more than welcome to shoot yourself in the foot in that respect, but don't expect everyone else to agree with you, especially when it comes to choosing a candidate (like Sanders) to represent the Democratic party in the general election.
Keep arguing here all you want -- it won't have any real political validity until the "progressives" you keep promoting actually win nationwide elections.
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Ah...I should be clear. It's a Joe thing. I've tried numerous times to watch his show. He just turns me off with how over dramatic he and Mika are. Like Saturday night live has them pretty down pat. I agree with Ed that he is concern trolling because I've seen him do it before. So it is less of a conservative view thing and more of a Joe thing.
Damn this is the second time I've expressed negative opinions about MSNBC/NBC folks. Can we go ahead and add Chris Matthews to the Todd and Scarborough trash pile? lol
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"Progressives' plan for victory just took a gut-punch. Now what do they do?"
The Left has been eager to show it can build a winning coalition for 2020 and beyond. But that didn't happen in the midterms.
"Progressives were hoping Tuesday's elections would finally give them definitive proof that Democrats can run and win on unapologetically liberal issues in swing districts and states.
That didn't happen.
Despite a good night for congressional Democrats overall, nearly all of national progressive groups' star candidates fell short in their contests in red or purple districts and states, potentially slowing the momentum the emboldened left had enjoyed since Hillary Clinton's loss two years ago.
"Progressives have to really do some hard thinking about the shape of the movement looking at 2020 and beyond," said progressive strategist Jonathan Tasini, adding that while the left had successes in some local races, they struggled in statewide contests.
"The failure, for example, of the Ben Jealous campaign in a very Democratic state says both that sticking a simple 'progressive' branding on a candidate's campaign may sustain a small cult, but that isn't enough to win enough elections."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...hat-do-n933771
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