All Purpose News and Politics Thread Part IV: The Center Cannot Hold

[WestPhillyPunisher]

If Epstein starts dropping dimes and flips like Cohen...

Oh man. We're about to see how much of a cult the GOP is. They elected Trump on a minority vote via the electoral college after he boasted about sexually assaulting women... but would they do it if we found out he solicited sex from girls?

I fear nothing of substance would happen. I think you know that too. Trump got elected DESPITE boasting about sexually assaulting women and is on record having publicly lusted for his daughter Ivanka when she was younger, Republicans will brush off these allegations like everything else like so much dandruff.

[PwrdOn]

I fear nothing of substance would happen. I think you know that too. Trump got elected DESPITE boasting about sexually assaulting women and is on record having publicly lusted for his daughter Ivanka when she was younger, Republicans will brush off these allegations like everything else like so much dandruff.

It's pretty obvious that all the supposed traditional family values of the Christian right are there to whip the common folks in line, the rich and powerful have always flouted them with impunity and it's no different now with Trump than it has been with any of the other countless Republicans who have been embroiled in sex scandals of one kind or another.

[JCAll]

And the other side would say "better a vote for Trump than a vote for baby killers."

I really think many of the left struggle to grasp what a deal breaker abortion is for the pro life side. If you believe a baby's life matters then that trumps (Pun not intended) everything else. You'll vote for the candidate who believes in protecting innocent babies regardless of anything else. Stopping murder matters more.

No, we get it. That's why I've completely stopped arguing it with the Right. I think the Right should know by now that we will stand by women's rights just as firmly. Zygotes aren't people, even if they were people a woman's bodily autonomy would still be more important. You just can't turn women into breeding slaves. This is a completely binary issue, there will never be a middle ground on this and it's going to drive politics further and further apart. We get it, it just sucks.

[JCAll]

Tacit approval.

If only those Republicans who say they don't support Trumps policies would actually protest those policies.

You'd almost think they agree with them to an extent.

People are eventually going to realize that Trump is a completely normal Republican president. If the president was Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, or anyone else everything would be exactly the same. Every policy, every appointee, every nominee, all exactly the same. Trump's just not special, he's painfully boring and generic really. His sole defining feature is being a national embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. That may be enough to turn people off him personally, but it won't turn people off the party.

[Kirby101]

People are eventually going to realize that Trump is a completely normal Republican president. If the president was Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, or anyone else everything would be exactly the same. Every policy, every appointee, every nominee, all exactly the same. Trump's just not special, he's painfully boring and generic really. His sole defining feature is being a national embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. That may be enough to turn people off him personally, but it won't turn people off the party.

I disagree. While the policies and agenda would be the same. Trump has filled his cabinet and made appointments of the most spectacularly incompetent, unqualified and corrupt people I have seen.

[Tami]

Logic be damned

Aided by a strong economy, Trump approval rises, but a majority also see him as ‘unpresidential’

Aided by a strong economy and perceptions that he has dealt with it effectively, President Trump’s approval rating has risen to the highest point of his presidency, though a slight majority of Americans continue to say they disapprove of his performance in office, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The survey highlights the degree to which Trump has a narrow but real path to reelection. His approval rating on most issues is net negative, and more than 6 in 10 Americans say he has acted in ways that are unpresidential since he was sworn into office. Still, roughly one-fifth of those who say he is not presidential say they approve of the job he is doing, and he runs even against four possible Democratic nominees in hypothetical *general-election matchups. He trails decisively only to former vice president Joe Biden.

Trump’s approval rating among voting-age Americans stands at 44 percent, edging up from 39 percent in April, with 53 percent saying they disapprove of him. Among registered voters, 47 percent say they approve of Trump while 50 percent disapprove. In April, 42 percent of registered voters said they approved while 54 percent said they disapproved.

More than a year before the general election and long before the Democrats will select their nominee, the 2020 contest is playing out against the backdrop of an electorate deeply divided over the president, with a small percentage of registered voters up for grabs. Both Democrats and the president enjoy solid bases of support, but more Americans say it is extremely important that Trump not win reelection than those who say it is extremely important that he is reelected.

[Tami]

'Members are looking over their shoulders': Democrats spooked by new primary threats

Just when it looked like the threat of widespread primary challenges to House Democrats had quieted down, the activist left is agitating again to go after many of the party’s longtime incumbents.

Tensions inside the House Democratic Caucus are running high after an ugly debate last month over legislation to provide emergency aid for the humanitarian crisis at the border. Progressives lambasted leadership and some centrists who backed the measure as “child abusers” because it lacked money to improve hygiene and nutrition standards for detained children migrants.

That Democratic firefight and others have inflamed liberals looking ahead to 2020, including the group that was behind now-Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s upset win last year. The raw emotions have many in the party wary of an all-out battle for the party’s soul in primaries from the presidential race all the way down to the congressional level.

“Members are looking over their shoulders,” said Rep. John Yarmuth (D-Ky.), the chairman of the House budget committee.

The list of Democrats facing primaries is growing as the restive liberal base fights hand-to-hand in skirmishes across the map. A local New York City district attorney race erupted onto the national scene last month, with the result between a progressive insurgent and the establishment Democrat still up in the air.

Meanwhile, liberals see the vulnerability of more established candidates at the top of ticket, as former Vice President Joe Biden’s presidential bid has hit a significant speed bump, while diverse and more liberal candidates, like Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), rise in the polls.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Logic be damned

Aided by a strong economy, Trump approval rises, but a majority also see him as ‘unpresidential’

Logic went down the toilet the day Trump won the election. It’s clear people don’t care about the stupid/crazy/criminal **** Trump does as long as his antics don’t put a dent in their wallets. The day he negatively affects the bottom line, whether it’s in households or boardrooms, he’s cooked like last night’s fried chicken.

[Mister Mets]

Logic be damned

Aided by a strong economy, Trump approval rises, but a majority also see him as ‘unpresidential’

Trump's also doing okay in General Election match-ups among registered voters, as long as it's not against Biden.

Hypothetical matchups among registered voters in this poll:

Biden 53%, Trump 43%
Harris 48%, Trump 46%
Warren 48%, Trump 48%
Sanders 49%, Trump 48%
Buttigieg 47%, Trump 47%

Sampling error +/- 3.5

[Theleviathan]

No, we get it. That's why I've completely stopped arguing it with the Right. I think the Right should know by now that we will stand by women's rights just as firmly. Zygotes aren't people, even if they were people a woman's bodily autonomy would still be more important. You just can't turn women into breeding slaves. This is a completely binary issue, there will never be a middle ground on this and it's going to drive politics further and further apart. We get it, it just sucks.

There could be. We could refocus energy on better birth control, male birth control, or other ways to stop unwanted pregnancy. I know the right resists that, but it would be better for all.

Abortion is a dense moral and ethical dilemma with a lot of complicating factors. The fact we have made it so binary is ridiculous IMO.

[Theleviathan]

If Epstein starts dropping dimes and flips like Cohen...

Oh man. We're about to see how much of a cult the GOP is. They elected Trump on a minority vote via the electoral college after he boasted about sexually assaulting women... but would they do it if we found out he solicited sex from girls?

Blame the Clintons. Duh.

[worstblogever]

Trump's also doing okay in General Election match-ups among registered voters, as long as it's not against Biden.

"okay"

When an incumbent president is only tied with or trails ALL potential challengers polled, you call that "okay"?

What would you classify this poll?
https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-co...20Election.pdf

“Joe Biden over Trump by 14 points.
Kamala Harris over Trump by 8 points.
Elizabeth Warren over Trump by 7 points.
Bernie Sanders over Trump by 6 points.
Pete Buttigieg over Trump by 4 points.

[Malvolio]

People are eventually going to realize that Trump is a completely normal Republican president. If the president was Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, or anyone else everything would be exactly the same. Every policy, every appointee, every nominee, all exactly the same. Trump's just not special, he's painfully boring and generic really. His sole defining feature is being a national embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. That may be enough to turn people off him personally, but it won't turn people off the party.

Well, yeah. The only real difference is Trump's daily tweets that end up as late night comedy fodder.

[PaulBullion]

"okay"

When an incumbent president is only tied with or trails ALL potential challengers polled, you call that "okay"?

What would you classify this poll?
https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-co...20Election.pdf

That is so weird how you actually give a source for YOUR poll.

[JCAll]

I disagree. While the policies and agenda would be the same. Trump has filled his cabinet and made appointments of the most spectacularly incompetent, unqualified and corrupt people I have seen.

I just don't think a different Republican would appoint different people, it's just what I've come to expect from the GOP.