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    7.1 Magnitude Earthquake Shakes Up Southern California

    Fires, building collapses and injuries reported in Ridgecrest in latest of what could be a continuing string of dangerous temblors.

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    Ocasio-Cortez Aide Calls Democratic Party ‘Cowardice’ The ‘Greatest Threat To Mankind’

    The party leadership is “driven by fear,” declares Corbin Trent, the New York congresswoman’s spokesman and a co-founder of Justice Democrats. Strong words indeed.

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    Trump Begins Long Golf Weekend, Bringing Taxpayers’ Tab To $108 Million

    The candidate who used to hammer Barack Obama for golfing too much is on track to play two and a half times as much as his predecessor and at three times the cost to taxpayers. Will Republican taxpayers bitch about this? Of course not, Trump isn't black after all, so it's okay to them.

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    Trump Blames Rain For His Comment About Airports In The Revolutionary War

    Early American soldiers “took over airports,” the president said during his July 4 speech. They did not. Lame ass excuse, proving Trump doesn't even a modicum of knowledge about American history. Meanwhile....#RevolutionaryWarAirportStories

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    Fox News Anchor Julie Banderas Says Burning The U.S. Flag Is A Crime. It’s Not.

    The Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that flag-burning is “symbolic speech” protected by the Constitution. But then, Faux News talking heads like this bimbo are no more familiar with the Constitution than the ochre ogre in the Oval Office they relentlessly slurp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    7.1 Magnitude Earthquake Shakes Up Southern California

    Fires, building collapses and injuries reported in Ridgecrest in latest of what could be a continuing string of dangerous temblors.

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    Trump Begins Long Golf Weekend, Bringing Taxpayers’ Tab To $108 Million

    The candidate who used to hammer Barack Obama for golfing too much is on track to play two and a half times as much as his predecessor and at three times the cost to taxpayers. Will Republican taxpayers bitch about this? Of course not, Trump isn't black after all, so it's okay to them.

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    These two stories right here... real presidents cancel their golf trips early when disaster happens, and the American people need someone to lead.

    Trump is actively going to say, "Why should I? It's California, and they don't like me enough to justify me leaving early. Maybe if they did, I'd think about it, but they don't, so f*** 'em."
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    These two stories right here... real presidents cancel their golf trips early when disaster happens, and the American people need someone to lead.

    Trump is actively going to say, "Why should I? It's California, and they don't like me enough to justify me leaving early. Maybe if they did, I'd think about it, but they don't, so f*** 'em."
    Pretty much. Trump lives for grudges which he nurses with fanatical devotion, he never forgives or forget slights against him, no matter how small, once he labels you an enemy, it’s for life. Considering Trump lost California to Hillary Clinton back in 2016, something that sticks in his craw to this day, given how he denigrated the state’s response to last year’s wildfires, it’s almost a given he’ll shrug off the earthquakes and won’t offer anything in the way of leadership which the citizens there would need. Petty? You betcha!
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    Russia's state TV is obsessively bashing Trump's "low energy," "weak" parade with "rusty tanks." The hosts LOL at Trump's claim about "revolutionary war airports" & other historical flubs. "There's your city upon a hill, there's your world leader—and Martians have been defeated."
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4saken1 View Post
    I've been wondering if the census has anything to do with all of this. Trump has been losing the battle on whether the citizenship question will be allowed to be added to the census. I heard a story recently about how many immigrants, even those with green cards, said that they were frightened about filling out the census next year because they feel that their names would be added to some kind of list that would come back later and cause them problems. With the concentration camps, Trump threatening raids in sanctuary cities, and stories in the media about bad things happening to people who are here legally, maybe Trump will still pull some victory out of this because many are just too scared to participate in the census.
    The census wouldn't affect the electoral vote in 2020. Redistricting would likely occur in 2021 and 2022. The first presidential election with the new electoral map in 2024.

    https://www.brennancenter.org/potent...er-2020-census

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    The census wouldn't affect the electoral vote in 2020. Redistricting would likely occur in 2021 and 2022. The first presidential election with the new electoral map in 2024.

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    I realize this. Not saying Trump needs it to win the Election with the exception that 'sticking it' to California and in general making things harder for brown people is popular with much of his base and will further entrench their support in 2020. If he wins, potentially having a more conservative House starting in 2023 will be a bonus, too!
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    "Keeping children in 'cages' costs American taxpayers more than $4.5 million daily"

    "On Tuesday, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Inspector General (IG) released a blistering report, slamming the Department for substandard conditions where detained children didn’t have access to showers, changes of clothes, or hot meals.

    The IG called on DHS to “take immediate steps to alleviate dangerous overcrowding and prolonged detention of children and adults in the Rio Grande Valley.” But what is it costing taxpayers to detain children in squalor? According to calculations by Yahoo Finance, that figure stands at $4.7 million — per day.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) criticized President Donald Trump, saying there had to be a “better way” of securing the borders. “We don’t think that we have to put children in cages to do it,” she said, calling Trump’s immigration policies “outside the circle of civilized human behavior.”

    Legally, unaccompanied children (UAC) and children with a parent or legal guardian are to be taken care of by the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), a program that is part of Health and Human Services (HHS). HHS says it has 13,000 children its agency’s care. Children are kept in one of two types of facilities: temporary (emergency influx shelters) and permanent. According to HHS, while it costs $256 a day to house children at permanent HHS facilities, the figure balloons at temporary shelters to $775 a night...

    ICE reports that it has currently detained 31,093 adults who are not convicted criminals or have pending criminal charges. The agency is currently conducting mass immigration raids across the country, which has prompted an outpouring of advice and support for undocumented immigrants. Once detained, the average detention for immigrants who have not been convicted of crimes or have pending criminal charges is 47.6 days. Responding to requests from Yahoo Finance, the agency shared that its adult average daily bed rate was $126.52. In addition to paying for raids against what ICE has labeled “other immigration violator,” taxpayers spend $3.9 million each day to detain undocumented immigrants. Considering the average length of detention, the U.S. will likely pay $187 million to hold all of the undocumented immigrants currently being detained.

    ‘The cruelty is the goal’

    But if these costs are high, it’s not being reflected in the level of care given to those being detained. Border Patrol’s own “TEDS Standards” requires that CBP make a “reasonable” effort to provide adults with showers after being held for 72 hours. Yet while in Border Patrol custody, the report found, “most single adults had not had a shower in CBP custody despite several being held for as long as a month.”

    Freshman Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) has said that there is “abuse” in the facilities, and that women were drinking water out of toilets. Some adult detention centers were described in the Inspector General’s report as having facilities with “standing room only.”

    The ACLU says that 7 children have died in custody or after being detained; while children recently released from custody drew pictures of themselves in cages. “The cruelty is the goal,” AOC tweeted after her visit.

    “It’s called “deterrence” - a policy stance that if our country inflicts enough pain on refugees, they will think twice before believing America is worth their dreams & aspirations..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    Yet both problems aren't proportional, and what other point did bringing up that story have other than to somehow excuse what's currently going on?

    More than 99% of these kids aren't kidnapped, yet ALL are being treated worse than your average person would treat an animal. There's also the point brought up about how this is PUNISHING the kids from being kidnapped or bought.
    I brought up the story to show that the border situation is messy, and that it appears some people are taking advantage of children to get into the US. Your emphasis on "more than 99%" suggests everyone who tried this got caught; I'm not sure there's enough evidence to back that assumption.

    We should be able to simultaneously improve conditions for migrants awaiting processing, and determine a solution to a problem of family fraud, especially since that can get worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    It's not about "convincing" people of anything: it's about being honest about your chosen political party instead of constantly deflecting to "open borders" (i.e. fearmongering) and the like.

    As has already been pointed out (repeatedly) it makes any "dialogue" with you essentially a waste of time.

    Even this exchange is redundant -- you've already made exactly this same "point" in previous posts but it doesn't change the truth about said party.
    How was talking about Republicans a response to the concerns of a former cabinet secretary from the Obama administration?

    Do you also want to take the position that political discussion shouldn't include concerns about the effects of proposed policies in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Maybe this might help. When the day comes that, once again, the Democrats are in control of All Branches of Government, including having a Democrat as President, then you (and the rest of us) can point a finger in that direction when something goes wrong or they do something wrong. I'm not just addressing you, but all Republicans.

    Currently there is a 'So Called' Republican in the White House, and the Republicans control the Senate, and so on. So, why aren't you pointing a finger at them?

    If Democrats are able to be critical of Democratic Leaders, when they are actually in charge and responsible, why is it so hard for you to be critical of Republican Leaders?

    Is it Party Loyalty? Do you feel obligated to play Devil's Advocate even under the worst situations? Or do you truly believe that the Republicans are not to blame for anything; anything they do, or say, or simply any actions or inactions that result from what they do, or say, or don't do.

    How hard it must be to be a Republican, to defend Republican actions.
    There are areas where Democrats have political power, so even under the rationale that we should only look at what political figures have done, there is plenty to judge.

    We can look at what they're saying they'll do, which is relevant since the general elections are largely a choice between Republicans and Democrats. The typical expectation is that politicians only revealing what they think will get them enough votes, so there's also the question of whether they're more extreme in private. So far, many of them are on board with no restrictions on late-term abortion, getting rid of private health insurance, providing subsidized medical care to undocumented immigrants, and mandatory busing (I get the argument that Kamala Harris is saying that this should just be considered, but if she goes after Joe Biden in a debate because he was against it, she's taking the other position.)

    The positions Democrats take are also likely politically harmful to them, and the best chance Trump has of getting reelected. In New York magazine, Jonathan Chain describes some of the drawbacks.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...ze-border.html

    There is a large body of research showing that voters tend to punish candidates that they perceive as holding extreme positions. Holding unpopular positions in fact tends to make a candidate less popular.

    And yet, as obvious as this simple observation might sound, the progressive intelligentsia has devoted enormous energy to denying it. The defensive impulse against any “centrist” critique is so impulsive and so widespread that bad, even silly, political rationalizations for taking reckless positions are now flourishing.

    Advocates of single-payer insurance dismiss polls showing wariness toward losing employer-sponsored insurance by insisting they can educate people out of this view:

    Very few people like private insurance companies. What they like are their doctors and hospitals. Once you explain to them that Medicare for All would allow them to KEEP their doctors--in fact have MORE choice b/c there is no "out of network" doctor--they are delighted.

    — Rep. Pramila Jayapal (@RepJayapal) July 2, 2019
    The giveaway here is the phrase “once you explain to them.” That’s not how politics usually works. You can try to explain to people that they’ll be better off trading their employer-sponsored insurance for a government plan. And I agree — most people probably would be better off. But getting people to change their minds isn’t just a simple matter of explaining the facts to them. The other side gets to make arguments, too. There’s just no reason to believe Democratic arguments in favor of single-payer would persuade more voters than Republican arguments against it. It’s surely possible to turn people toward single-payer in a curated information environment where voters are exposed to one-sided arguments selected by advocates, but this has no bearing on real-world political outcomes.

    An even more baffling argument for taking unpopular stances is that the Republicans are going to lie anyway, so who cares? “Neither Warren nor those around her have ever bought into the idea that proposals like [eliminating private insurance] are sufficiently potent ammunition for Republicans to warrant backing off,” reported my colleague Gabriel Debenedetti recently, “It’s common for her supporters, and Sanders’s, to point out that Republicans will likely accuse Democrats of wanting the most extreme possible version of their policies anyway — open borders! Full socialism! Gun confiscation! — regardless of the identity of the nominee, so moderating to avoid that is a fool’s errand that would only alienate their own backers.”

    This view is, quite simply, insane. Obviously, Republicans are going to say all kinds of nasty and frequently false things about the Democratic nominee. But there’s an enormous difference between a world in which Republicans accuse a Democrat of holding an unpopular position, the Democratic candidate denies it, and mainstream media treat the charge as sketchy or false, and a world in which the Democratic candidate openly advocates an unpopular position.
    It’s true that Republicans claimed Barack Obama’s health-care plan created death panels. But only about 40 percent of the public believed the lie. If Obama had actually stood onstage and promised to enact death panels, the number would have been a lot higher than 40 percent, and Obamacare probably could not have passed. It’s hard for me to understand how the lesson from this episode is that Democrats should go ahead and endorse unpopular policies.
    As for whether I'm critical of Republican leaders, I have said numerous times that I didn't vote for Trump, don't plan to vote for him in the future, and would back your party's frontrunner Joe Biden over Trump in the presidential election.

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    Not backing Trump is a really, really low bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Not backing Trump is a really, really low bar.
    What they like to call RHINO. I notice a lot of people defend trump and/or his policies while saying they don't support trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Not backing Trump is a really, really low bar.
    Sure, Hitler was a monster. But his secretary of transportation did a good job with the Autobahn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    I brought up the story to show that the border situation is messy, and that it appears some people are taking advantage of children to get into the US. Your emphasis on "more than 99%" suggests everyone who tried this got caught; I'm not sure there's enough evidence to back that assumption.

    We should be able to simultaneously improve conditions for migrants awaiting processing, and determine a solution to a problem of family fraud, especially since that can get worse.
    1. There's no evidence to prove that enough are getting through to breach 1% of the families being separated and put in tortuous conditions either. Your response here paints a picture: You'd rather assume there are far more getting through to allow this behavior to continue while you say it's bad but do nothing to hold your party responsible for doing it.

    2. This administration isn't going to try and improve conditions for these people, as all evidence points to them making things worse over time. Defying the Courts to do so as well with an officiall telling us "We don't have to provide Soap for Safe & Sanitary Conditions". How is treating these people like garbage making this country better? How can anyone worth being a Leader in this country believe that this actually does good for us? Why do you refuse to see how politicians who defend and excuse this aren't doing this for any potential 'Good'?

    As for whether I'm critical of Republican leaders, I have said numerous times that I didn't vote for Trump, don't plan to vote for him in the future, and would back your party's frontrunner Joe Biden over Trump in the presidential election.
    If you support the actions of and excuse the ones doing it who ARE supporting Trump and his policies - You are supporting Trump and his policies. It's a fact. There really is no getting around this without some serious brain gymnastics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    Do you also want to take the position that political discussion shouldn't include concerns about the effects of proposed policies in the future?
    I want to take the position that you're avoiding discussing the real problem -- that your party is blatantly corrupt, dishonest, bigoted and in many cases criminal.

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    "At a recent event organized by the Log Cabin Republicans, U.S. House Representative Will Hurd of Texas — the only African-American Republican House member — warned his fellow Republicans, “Don’t be an a–hole. Don’t be a racist. Don’t be a misogynist, right? Don’t be a homophobe.”

    The Washington Blade reports that the event, billed as a bipartisan meeting, included elected Democrat and GOP officials who met in the Chastleton Apartments ballroom.

    Among the speakers, Hurd laid down his views in plain-speak:

    “Many of my colleagues don’t [know]… If you’re at least the age of 40 in most places across this country you have to whisper that you’re a Republican. This is a party that is shrinking. The party is not growing in some of the largest parts of our country.”

    “Why is that? I’ll tell you. It’s real simple,” said Hurd. “Don’t be an asshole. Don’t be a racist. Don’t be a misogynist, right? Don’t be a homophobe. These are real basic things that we all should learn when we were in kindergarten.”

    Despite being from Texas, a stereotypically conservative red state, Hurd has vocally opposed Trump’s cruel treatment of immigrants at the southern border and is one of the eight House Republicans who voted for the pro-LGBTQ Equality Act earlier this year. The Act passed in the House with unanimous Democratic support but will almost certainly die in the Republican-led Senate."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    As for whether I'm critical of Republican leaders, I have said numerous times that I didn't vote for Trump, don't plan to vote for him in the future, and would back your party's frontrunner Joe Biden over Trump in the presidential election.
    Yes, yes. You're one of the "not me" Republicans. I'm sure plenty of the 62.9 million voters who cast their ballot for Trump insist "it wasn't me" so they can still try to sleep at night.

    But it's kind of hard to believe, when such a person argues in defense of virtually everything his administration does does, no matter how hateful, corrupt, incompetent bigoted, or sexist.
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