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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    A quick google search shows that Ron Paul wrote against the Department of Homeland Security when it was created, promised in a 2007 presidential debate he would abolish the DHS, and wrote or ghost-wrote a column in 2015 suggesting it's pointless.

    https://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul56.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/u...cs/06text.html

    http://www.campaignforliberty.org/cl...-security-good (It should be noted that the headline is "Department of Homeland Security: What is it good for?"
    One, you missed the point there. During the 2012 presidential debates, when Rick Perry was listing the departments of government he would do away with, and Ron Paul helped finish his thought before giving his own list, both oddly omitted the DHS, but were aiming for Commerce, Education, Energy. Several others are chomping at the bit for the EPA.

    The point was, the DHS isn't on the chopping block for most, and even Ron Paul, who wants to chop almost all the programs, omitted it when the topic came up to go after several other agencies first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    The implication that anyone making up stuff in a forum would have to be Russian may be off. It is possible to be an American troll.
    I was making a larger implication of someone claiming something they obviously aren't. I thought this Russian bit would be funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    Ah, we're going to jump right to the "you're the bigot for calling out racists" conservative meme, eh?

    That's nice.
    Not at all what I said. No issue with calling out racism. What I am saying is, there is a boat-load of insults hurled at conservatives/republicans in general in this thread, lumping such a large portion of people into one basket as though it would almost be impossible to be a conservative/republican inserting an attempt at civilized discussion from that point of view on any given single issue. To me, it seems already well established that if you identify as a conservative/republican and have a desire to express those values in this thread, you may as well expect the same level of hatred, insults, ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    Well, I find that strange, since in this thread alone (and others scattered around as I have read) various insults demonizing conservatives and republicans on the whole, as though just by associating with either of those entities, you must be an evil bigot...and all the rest of those lumping adjectives you listed.
    So how do you characterize a person who supports racist, bigoted, White Nationalist politicians and policies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    So how do you characterize a person who supports racist, bigoted, White Nationalist politicians and policies?
    As an idiot, LOL.

    What I wouldn't do is label the entirety population of conservatives/republicans as such. That's very assuming, devisive and it contributes to the overall division between the two groups, which, call me crazy, should not be a policy anybody subscribes to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    Not at all what I said. No issue with calling out racism. What I am saying is, there is a boat-load of insults hurled at conservatives/republicans in general in this thread, lumping such a large portion of people into one basket as though it would almost be impossible to be a conservative/republican inserting an attempt at civilized discussion from that point of view on any given single issue. To me, it seems already well established that if you identify as a conservative/republican and have a desire to express those values in this thread, you may as well expect the same level of hatred, insults, ect.
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    So how do you characterize a person who supports racist, bigoted, White Nationalist politicians and policies?
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    As an idiot, LOL.

    What I wouldn't do is label the entirety population of conservatives/republicans as such. That's very assuming, devisive and it contributes to the overall division between the two groups, which, call me crazy, should not be a policy anybody subscribes to.
    Then we agree. Conservatives right now are defending pedophiles like Roy Moore, known sexual assault perpetrators and suspected rapists like Donald Trump, locking immigrant children in cages who are (as we're now learning in reports) being sexually assaulted by some guards if not outright losing them (Trump administration), defending why it's okay for a hostile foreign nation to rig our elections so they win, banning religious minorities from entering the country, to name but a few revolting stances.

    You call them idiots. I call them crazy and stupid. Whatever negative things I, or anyone else might say about people with these repugnant views, who call themselves American conservatives, is justified.

    "Bigoted" does not apply to what are political views. It applies to discrimination based on race, ethnicity, or religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonesaw View Post
    As an idiot, LOL.

    What I wouldn't do is label the entirety population of conservatives/republicans as such. That's very assuming, devisive and it contributes to the overall division between the two groups, which, call me crazy, should not be a policy anybody subscribes to.
    What part of the Republican Party today does not support racist, bigoted, anti-science, corrupt policies? If they support Trump, which they do, they support this. The decisiveness is Trump and his agenda, not pointing it out.

    Where do you land on the political spectrum? (if you feel like answering)
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    To be honest, I don't see how anyone can be proud to call themselves Republicans in this current climate. The ones I respect are those who have left the party and became independents etc like George Will (joined the Federalist Society instead), Joe Scarborough, Steve Schmidt, Tom Nichols, George Conway, Rep. Justin Amash. They recognize that it has become a cult - like party of Trump. Every day, or sometimes many times a day, he does things that would have caused a full out revolt if Obama even thought of doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    Then we agree.
    Apparently not.

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    Conservatives right now...
    Some conservatives- not all. That's my point. Just like I know prominent Democrats who cautiously were against abortion and when New York instituted late-term abortion became fully-blown disgusted by the topic of abortion and now identify closer to pro-life. You should not lump every conservative/republican into the same bucket in an attempt to justify the tidal wave of insults found in this thread. We need less of that kind of mentality all around. Being that way, which I see as the easier, arrogant and embellishing way is only furthering the division in this country. What we need is less generalizing/labeling and more articulation and attention to the idea that there may be more common ground if there would just be an adjustment in the way interactions are handled, even, as far as it goes, on a comic forum. Keep in mind, that as vehemently sure you seem to be on all these topics, there are a great many people who feel the just as vehemently sure on the other side. Neither side has it 100% correct. Like, for instance, those same "children in cages" existed under Obama's terms. Keep that in mind the next time you want to tear into every conservative in the country for being connected with that issue.


    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    You call them idiots. I call them crazy and stupid. Whatever negative things I, or anyone else might say about people with these repugnant views, who call themselves American conservatives, is justified.
    No. I called any individual- a person, as quoted that had those views, an idiot.

    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    "Bigoted" does not apply to what are political views. It applies to discrimination based on race, ethnicity, or religion.
    Yes, which are not encompassed with all conservatives, as you would describe. In fact, there is plenty of racism that exists from individuals who label themselves as liberals or democrats, but you will never see me describe liberals and democrats as bigots.
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    The GOP policies and Agenda, as personified by their leader is racist, bigoted and White Supremacist. What is the difference between being a racist and supporting one?
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    I'm independent but I will probably never vote for Democrat again. Most large urban communities are under Democratic leadership and the conditions there are horrible. Under bill Clinton Black incarceration has gone up after the signing the North American Free Trade Agreement which directly caused the construction of more Private Prisons which imprisoned shockingly 80 percent of the local residents who of course were poor and/or Black. Also increased the number of Detention Centers which of course imprisons poor migrants who only came here looking for a job. Shockingly I read a few years back an article that documents the journey of migrants from farming communities in Mexico. Some of these migrants come to the US because they live in mountanious areas. The journey into the US is quickier than going into the larger cities of Mexico because there infrastructure and the roads connecting the small Mexican towns to the city are terrible or nonexistence. Imo the flow of migrants can slow tremendously with improve roads and infastructure in rural Mexico.

    The Democrats and some Republicans are hypocritical. They advocate hard for the rights of Women and the free press but say nothing about the many human rights abuses in countries around the World.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeneuron View Post
    I'm independent but I will probably never vote for Democrat again. Most large urban communities are under Democratic leadership and the conditions there are horrible. Under bill Clinton Black incarceration has gone up after the signing the North American Free Trade Agreement which directly caused the construction of more Private Prisons which imprisoned shockingly 80 percent of the local residents who of course were poor and/or Black.
    I'm black, have enjoyed living in many non-horrible "large urban communities under Democratic leadership" in the past and your post is just another example of ignorance masquerading as concern.

    If you don't want to vote Democratic -- and are likewise fine with the Republicans and Trump driving this country further into isolation while simultaneously blatantly abusing the rights of the same "minorities" you claim to care about in the same breath -- then that's your choice, but don't try to use your concern for "minorities" as an excuse while we have a president and a political party (the Republicans) pushing a blatantly white nationalist agenda in both the White House and the Senate.

    Any one even remotely concerned about said issue would vote Democratic by default, so save the "both sides" rhetoric for another day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeneuron View Post
    I'm independent but I will probably never vote for Democrat again. Most large urban communities are under Democratic leadership and the conditions there are horrible. Under bill Clinton Black incarceration has gone up after the signing the North American Free Trade Agreement which directly caused the construction of more Private Prisons which imprisoned shockingly 80 percent of the local residents who of course were poor and/or Black. Also increased the number of Detention Centers which of course imprisons poor migrants who only came here looking for a job. Shockingly I read a few years back an article that documents the journey of migrants from farming communities in Mexico. Some of these migrants come to the US because they live in mountanious areas. The journey into the US is quickier than going into the larger cities of Mexico because there infrastructure and the roads connecting the small Mexican towns to the city are terrible or nonexistence. Imo the flow of migrants can slow tremendously with improve roads and infastructure in rural Mexico.

    The Democrats and some Republicans are hypocritical. They advocate hard for the rights of Women and the free press but say nothing about the many human rights abuses in countries around the World.
    You won’t be popular on here with that take. It confuses many of the regulars that anyone who isn’t Republican doesn’t view it as an all or nothing team sport game where Democrats must win at all costs

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    Is there some forum where some conservatives complain about us liberal comic book fans on CBR? Are we some sort of political target for right wing Trolls?

    The fact is: If you vote for and continue to support politicians who vote for and support racist, homophobic, and sexist policies as well as raving bigots like Trump - You are supporting racist, homophobic, sexist policies and raving bigots like Trump. It is a Fact, and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that. No 'alternative facts' will replace it either. If you still can't accept that, I've got some oceanfront property in Nevada I think you'll be interested in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    I'm black, have enjoyed living in many non-horrible "large urban communities under Democratic leadership" in the past and your post is just another example of ignorance masquerading as concern.

    If you don't want to vote Democratic -- and are likewise fine with the Republicans and Trump driving this country further into isolation while simultaneously blatantly abusing the rights of the same "minorities" you claim to care about in the same breath -- then that's your choice, but don't try to use your concern for "minorities" as an excuse while we have a president and a political party (the Republicans) pushing a blatantly white nationalist agenda in both the White House and the Senate.
    I'm Black also. How can you deny that the Democrats have not destroyed some of our communities like Chicago and omg Detroit. Do a simple search of Detroit's poor areas and you will see how terrible these people live. Of course there are some African Americans that are living good in urban areas but we cannot leave behind or ignore the ones that are suffering.

    I think that Whites along with other races and even ourselves are holding the Black community back. There are still large pockets of the economy where Black people do not participate. We are still segregated in certain parts of the country. Compared to the hispanic community there are some states and cities in the United States that black people just do not go because the Black community knows not to go there. Oprah went on a RV/camping trip a few years back and even she question if Blacks could go to certain places. So in some ways the Black community is under a type of social movement slavery compared to hispanics and other races but I partially blame the black community also because we are not demanding our social and political rights like we use to. If they give us our long overdue reparations a right to free movement inside the US should be demanded.
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