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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Not particularly, I want a rebuttal. I gave what I saw as the conservative trends. If you have any examples please give them, because the last decent conservative I can think of is a tie between Teddy Roosevelt or Eisenhower. In my own nation we havent had a good conservative in decades save perhaps John Major and debatably Churchill.
    Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive, not a conservative. Ike is a better fit, but he would be further to the left of most Democrats today, with his massive tax rates on the top earners and huge infrastructure project in the Interstate system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Conservatism in all of its forms basically boils down to the poor breaking their backs so that the rich can live comfortably. That's just not going to work in this day and age, who exactly are the wealthy going to find to do all of the work for them while they monopolize all of the rewards?
    Itís working quite well actually. The rich have convinced the poor (white people) to support tax cuts for the wealthy and to give up their health care, with fear and hate. Itís a tried and true method thatís been used for centuries. The wealthy and elite will find a scapegoat (usually an ethnic minority), stir up nationalism, promote religion to keep the masses sedated, and spread fear of ďthe otherĒ while promising them that the wealthy people in power are the only ones who can keep them safe.

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    The only reason conservatism survives, and thrives in parts of the US is because they have aligned themselves with the religious fundamentalists and the White racists. Those people vote for their agendas, they give lip service to tax cuts and corporate supremacy, but without their real issues like abortion and anti-gay rights and keeping colored people down, the GOP would a very small minority Party.
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    So using Eisenhower as an example then, when did American conservatism mutate into the beast it is ? Was it Nixon or was it Reagan ?

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    More proof that liberal progressive causes of inequality is only supported and backed by other minorities who are not Black, African American or African.

    According to allhiphop.com the guy who started a fight with ASAP Rocky had all the charges dropped against him while the rapper remains in prison for defending himself after he was assault by an object thrown by the other guy who harrassed him.

    Where is Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Joe Booker, AOC? Other than the Congressional Black Caucus not one Democrat has said a word.

    Is this proof that the Dems only use Blacks for our votes? Probably.

    Trump will be in win win situation. If ASAP is freed he can say it was because of him. If he is not freed he can lead the free ASAP campaign that will eventually happen.

    Also. This is a clear case of racism. Another rapper, G Eazy, who is white, also got arrested while he was in Sweden. He punched a security guard and did a line of coke but got off with just a fine the very next day. The rapper tweeted this himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeneuron View Post
    More proof that liberal progressive causes of inequality is only supported and backed by other minorities who are not Black, African American or African.

    According to allhiphop.com the guy who started a fight with ASAP Rocky had all the charges dropped against him while the rapper remains in prison for defending himself after he was assault by an object thrown by the other guy who harrassed him.

    Where is Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Joe Booker, AOC? Other than the Congressional Black Caucus not one Democrat has said a word.

    Is this proof that the Dems only use Blacks for our votes? Probably.

    Trump will be in win win situation. If ASAP is freed he can say it was because of him. If he is not freed he can lead the free ASAP campaign that will eventually happen.

    Also. This is a clear case of racism. Another rapper, G Eazy, who is white, also got arrested while he was in Sweden. He punched a security guard and did a line of coke but got off with just a fine the very next day. The rapper tweeted this himself.
    Irrespective of whoever started the fight/was in the wrong, political figures of such magnitude shouldn't be involved with some celebrity who couldnt hire decent security. The fact that Trump is is another example of him not knowing his damn job. Meanwhile the candidates have no real influence and could make their own campaigns worse by attempting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeneuron View Post
    More proof that liberal progressive causes of inequality is only supported and backed by other minorities who are not Black, African American or African.

    According to allhiphop.com the guy who started a fight with ASAP Rocky had all the charges dropped against him while the rapper remains in prison for defending himself after he was assault by an object thrown by the other guy who harrassed him.

    Where is Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Joe Booker, AOC? Other than the Congressional Black Caucus not one Democrat has said a word.

    Is this proof that the Dems only use Blacks for our votes? Probably.

    Trump will be in win win situation. If ASAP is freed he can say it was because of him. If he is not freed he can lead the free ASAP campaign that will eventually happen.

    Also. This is a clear case of racism. Another rapper, G Eazy, who is white, also got arrested while he was in Sweden. He punched a security guard and did a line of coke but got off with just a fine the very next day. The rapper tweeted this himself.
    Was ASAP Rocky also arrested in Sweden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    Was ASAP Rocky also arrested in Sweden?
    Yes. He was arrested in Sweden. The guy stalked, harrassed and attacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Irrespective of whoever started the fight/was in the wrong, political figures of such magnitude shouldn't be involved with some celebrity who couldnt hire decent security. The fact that Trump is is another example of him not knowing his damn job. Meanwhile the candidates have no real influence and could make their own campaigns worse by attempting.
    His human rights was violated after he was arrested he was not allowed to talk to the US Consulate until a day or so after which is a clear violation of international human rights so the President had a right to inquire about a US citizen treatment and health in prison. Newspapers and agencies that report othewise are just being irresponsible and playing politics.

    Also. I wonder why ASAP can't talk to the press or his family directly? This is crazy oppressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeneuron View Post
    His human rights was violated after he was arrested he was not allowed to talk to the US Consulate until a day or so after which is a clear violation of international human rights so the President had a right to inquire abiut a US citizen treatment and health in prison. Newspapers and agencies that report othewise are just being irresponsible and playing politics.
    ....except he was visited by members of the US embassy (generally considered higher then a consulate because an actual ambassador is there) shortly after his arrest. So again, politicians wading into something they frankly shouldnt be, including having the Swedish government repeatedly telling America "Things dont work the way you think they do".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    So using Eisenhower as an example then, when did American conservatism mutate into the beast it is ? Was it Nixon or was it Reagan ?
    There was a movement among conservative intellectuals starting in the early 70s to concentrate on getting conservative judges on the bench, pushing Chicago School economics, and founding ALEC to implement conservative policy at the state level.

    It's been a long while since I read up on the details of what was exactly going on at the time, but there was a prominent judge among the central players there. Probably where the idea to concentrate on the courts started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeneuron View Post
    More proof that liberal progressive causes of inequality is only supported and backed by other minorities who are not Black, African American or African.

    According to allhiphop.com the guy who started a fight with ASAP Rocky had all the charges dropped against him while the rapper remains in prison for defending himself after he was assault by an object thrown by the other guy who harrassed him.

    Where is Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Joe Booker, AOC? Other than the Congressional Black Caucus not one Democrat has said a word.

    Is this proof that the Dems only use Blacks for our votes? Probably.

    Trump will be in win win situation. If ASAP is freed he can say it was because of him. If he is not freed he can lead the free ASAP campaign that will eventually happen.

    Also. This is a clear case of racism. Another rapper, G Eazy, who is white, also got arrested while he was in Sweden. He punched a security guard and did a line of coke but got off with just a fine the very next day. The rapper tweeted this himself.
    High ranking political figures, LEAST of all, the goddamn President of the United States has ZERO business getting involved in overseas legal disputes. If memory serves, the President of Sweden himself said he had no say on how the case would turn out, so what the fuck do you think Trump is going to do? Wail on Twitter about how this guy's rights were violated and vow to throw a fit if he's not released? This was nothing more that Dolt45 trying to kiss up to blacks by this sure to be useless attempt to get this guy freed, something that's sure to happen eventually once the case goes through the courts. Stevie Wonder could see how blatant this ploy is, and that dog won't hunt. Blacks are smarter than that and won't fall for this bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakeneuron View Post
    More proof that liberal progressive causes of inequality is only supported and backed by other minorities who are not Black, African American or African.

    According to allhiphop.com the guy who started a fight with ASAP Rocky had all the charges dropped against him while the rapper remains in prison for defending himself after he was assault by an object thrown by the other guy who harrassed him.

    Where is Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Joe Booker, AOC? Other than the Congressional Black Caucus not one Democrat has said a word.

    Is this proof that the Dems only use Blacks for our votes? Probably.

    Trump will be in win win situation. If ASAP is freed he can say it was because of him. If he is not freed he can lead the free ASAP campaign that will eventually happen.

    Also. This is a clear case of racism. Another rapper, G Eazy, who is white, also got arrested while he was in Sweden. He punched a security guard and did a line of coke but got off with just a fine the very next day. The rapper tweeted this himself.
    The same Trump who villified Kapernick for promoting awareness of police violence and still condemns the Central Park Five despite evidence exonerating them? That Trump?
    I don't think this latest thin is going to get him the traction you think it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChadH View Post
    The same Trump who villified Kapernick for promoting awareness of police violence and still condemns the Central Park Five despite evidence exonerating them? That Trump?
    I don't think this latest thin is going to get him the traction you think it will.
    In Trump's cob-web infested brain, he'll probably forget about it since he has a big rally in Cincinatti coming up. His base might not like that he is sticking for a guy who they wouldn't like anyway. It's not like Ted Nugent was the one who was arrested in Sweden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Second against Biden is really good in this context, if we're honest, but let's remember she's not running a general election campaign right now.
    Maybe she should be. That's what Biden is doing. To my recollection, that's what all of the last few winners have done: they energize the crowd that they are different and setting America on a better course.

    She dabbles in that talk, but most of it is like a freshman 101 lecture. That's why I wonder if she ever gets much higher than where she is now. (Especially since I think Bernie would never drop out no matter how far he drops)

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