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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
    In Trump's cob-web infested brain, he'll probably forget about it since he has a big rally in Cincinatti coming up. His base might not like that he is sticking for a guy who they wouldn't like anyway. It's not like Ted Nugent was the one who was arrested in Sweden
    Yeah, a new rally with the latest and greatest Trump chart topper, "Send her back!" to go along with all the other classics, "Build the wall!", "MAGA!" and "Lock her up!" As for Trump's lemmings, I'd hazard to guess that 99.9 percent of that rabble never even heard of ASAP or whoever the hell he is. Oh, and if Ted Nugent were to get arrested anywhere, it would be on a charge of impersonating a musician.
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    Hey WBE, an update for my state Senator. Jackass decided to weigh in on the "Send them back" "debate".

    Sen. Ron Johnson: "The whole "America love it or leave it' is not a new sentiment. Back in the '60s, that wasn't considered racist. I just find it very unfortunate that so many parts of our public debate right now are getting immediately stuck inside a racial framework."

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    Quote Originally Posted by InformationGeek View Post
    Hey WBE, an update for my state Senator. Jackass decided to weigh in on the "Send them back" "debate".
    Does he realise that saying "Send them back" is a hate crime ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InformationGeek View Post
    Hey WBE, an update for my state Senator. Jackass decided to weigh in on the "Send them back" "debate".
    That guy needs a history lesson though. "Love it or Leave it" might not have always had a racist connotation, but it was first coined by a guy named Winchell in the 1950's. He is mainly known for being McCarthy's biggest supporter. So while it might not be racist, it is certainly meant to squelch dissent against someone who shouldn't be near power, much less actually wielding any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    There was a movement among conservative intellectuals starting in the early 70s to concentrate on getting conservative judges on the bench, pushing Chicago School economics, and founding ALEC to implement conservative policy at the state level.

    It's been a long while since I read up on the details of what was exactly going on at the time, but there was a prominent judge among the central players there. Probably where the idea to concentrate on the courts started.
    Let’s not forget the “Southern Strategy”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    So using Eisenhower as an example then, when did American conservatism mutate into the beast it is ? Was it Nixon or was it Reagan ?
    Nixon/Murdoch/Ailes are known as the trifecta that birthed American neo-WASP savorism (aka race-centric crypto-facism) according to most historians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Nixon/Murdoch/Ailes are known as the trifecta that birthed American neo-WASP savorism (aka race-centric crypto-facism) according to most historians.
    Murdoch as in Rupert? Who's Ailes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    Murdoch as in Rupert? Who's Ailes ?
    Roger Ailes

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    Trump yelling that Democrats are criticizing the US, yet he has done it himself hundreds of times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Trump yelling that Democrats are criticizing the US, yet he has done it himself hundreds of times.
    You wonder why the media hasn’t called out Trump for that. There are scores of tweets out there where he slammed the Obama Administration, leveling all sorts of criticisms at how the country was run. Why does no one mention THAT?
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    Trump wants to commit mass genocide in Afghanistan... but he's too afraid to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Trump wants to commit mass genocide in Afghanistan... but he's too afraid to do it.
    Stop me if I’m mistaken, but isn’t Afghanistan one of our ALLIES? Or perhaps the damn fool has his countries that he hates in the Middle East mixed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Stop me if I’m mistaken, but isn’t Afghanistan one of our ALLIES? Or perhaps the damn fool has his countries that he hates in the Middle East mixed up.
    I can't link to video, but it seems like his answer to every war is to drop nukes. He wants to do to Afghanistan what the US did to Japan. I think that is what he is implying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    Nixon/Murdoch/Ailes are known as the trifecta that birthed American neo-WASP savorism (aka race-centric crypto-facism) according to most historians.
    I say it was Goldwater:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBJIkp7qIg

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    The Case of Al Franken

    A remarkable number of Franken’s Senate colleagues have regrets about their own roles in his fall. Seven current and former U.S. senators who demanded Franken’s resignation in 2017 told me that they’d been wrong to do so. Such admissions are unusual in an institution whose members rarely concede mistakes. Patrick Leahy, the veteran Democrat from Vermont, said that his decision to seek Franken’s resignation without first getting all the facts was “one of the biggest mistakes I’ve made” in forty-five years in the Senate. Heidi Heitkamp, the former senator from North Dakota, told me, “If there’s one decision I’ve made that I would take back, it’s the decision to call for his resignation. It was made in the heat of the moment, without concern for exactly what this was.” Tammy Duckworth, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, told me that the Senate Ethics Committee “should have been allowed to move forward.” She said it was important to acknowledge the trauma that Franken’s accusers had gone through, but added, “We needed more facts. That due process didn’t happen is not good for our democracy.” Angus King, the Independent senator from Maine, said that he’d “regretted it ever since” he joined the call for Franken’s resignation. “There’s no excuse for sexual assault,” he said. “But Al deserved more of a process. I don’t denigrate the allegations, but this was the political equivalent of capital punishment.” Senator Jeff Merkley, of Oregon, told me, “This was a rush to judgment that didn’t allow any of us to fully explore what this was about. I took the judgment of my peers rather than independently examining the circumstances. In my heart, I’ve not felt right about it.” Bill Nelson, the former Florida senator, said, “I realized almost right away I’d made a mistake. I felt terrible. I should have stood up for due process to render what it’s supposed to—the truth.” Tom Udall, the senior Democratic senator from New Mexico, said, “I made a mistake. I started having second thoughts shortly after he stepped down. He had the right to be heard by an independent investigative body. I’ve heard from people around my state, and around the country, saying that they think he got railroaded. It doesn’t seem fair. I’m a lawyer. I really believe in due process.”

    Former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, who watched the drama unfold from retirement, told me, “It’s terrible what happened to him. It was unfair. It took the legs out from under him. He was a very fine senator.” Many voters have also protested Franken’s decision. A Change.org petition urging Franken to retract his resignation received more than seventy-five thousand signatures. It declared, “There’s a difference between abuse and a mistake.”
    A big part of Franken’s political problem was the way the story broke. KABC-AM released Tweeden’s material on its Web site, giving it the look of a proper news story. In reality, the station, which is owned by Cumulus Media, was a struggling conservative talk-radio station whose survival plan was to become the most pro-Trump station in Los Angeles. Three top staffers there had been meeting secretly for weeks, after hours, with Tweeden to prepare her statement, but it hadn’t been vetted with even the most cursory fact-checking. Nobody contacted Franken until after the story had been posted online. The station gave Franken less advance warning than it gave the Drudge Report, which it tipped off the previous day. After posting the story, Tweeden embarked on a media tour, starting with a live press conference and proceeding to interviews with CNN’s Jake Tapper (who had been alerted the previous day), Sean Hannity, and the cast of “The View.”

    Lomonaco, Franken’s former chief of staff, said, “Typically, reporters will reach out to you for comment, so you have a heads-up, and some opportunity to put your best foot forward. But KABC posted it first and only then reached out to us. It was such an important framing moment. It had the veneer of a legitimate news story without having to abide by any of the conventions of journalism.”

    McIntyre, Tweeden’s former co-host at the station, told me that he had “bluntly” lobbied to give Franken more time to respond but was overruled by Drew Hayes, the station’s operations director, and by Nathan Baker, the news director, both of whom feared that the story would leak. McIntyre and Baker confirmed to me that nobody fact-checked Tweeden’s account. They evidently didn’t ask for the names of the people on the U.S.O. tour whom Tweeden said she had confided in at the time; in fact, they made no effort to reach anyone who’d been on the trip. They didn’t check the date of the photograph, or look at online videos showing other actresses performing the same role on earlier tours. They didn’t realize that although Tweeden claimed she never let Franken get near her face after the first rehearsal, there were numerous images of her performing the kiss scene with Franken afterward. Nor did they review the script or the photographs showing Tweeden laughing onstage as Franken struck the same “breast exam” pose.
    I am formerly petitioning WBE to retract his blog post about Al Franken and take him off of his April 1st list.
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