All Purpose News and Politics Thread Part IV: The Center Cannot Hold

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Cops kill and hurt more people every year than Antifa.

Let that sink in.

[Theleviathan]

I've seen the majority of people on "the left" make it clear that violence isn't an acceptable form of protest, whether from "Antifa", BLM, or otherwise.



The only real debate on the issue I've seen is whether it's okay to "punch Nazis" or just to cheer on those who do.

I'm seeing more of what you've seen the last few posts. I dont like it.

[Farealmer]

I just don't condone violence as a method of solving a problem.

I don't either, in this case anyway, and didn't condone it in my post. But in the country I live being black has been the go to boogieman for well past 100 years. Even during a time when violent protest was the last thing on most blacks minds. To say nothing about how they think jewish people are literally trying to destroy white people and have since, at least, the days of Hitler. The far-right is not want for boogiemen. They had them before antifa and they will have them long after antifa is gone.

[aja_christopher]

I'm seeing more of what you've seen the last few posts. I dont like it.

I think more people don't like what we're seeing in my last post about that six year old kid being killed by a modern day Nazi white supremacist.

I see your point from a rational perspective, but again, if the leadership and it's followers lose their moral foundation, then people will react accordingly.

Likewise, when Nazis show up and start shooting up churches, synagogues and mosques, then Antifa shows up as well ready to punch Nazis as necessary.

That's not condoning it one way or another -- just observing the cause and effect relationship, and how people tend to support Cap more than Hitler.

[Theleviathan]

I don't either, in this case anyway, and didn't condone it in my post. But in the country I live being black has been the go to boogieman for well past 100 years. Even during a time when violent protest was the last thing on most blacks minds. To say nothing about how they think jewish people are literally trying to destroy white people and have since, at least, the days of Hitler. The far-right is not want for boogiemen. They had them before antifa and they will have them long after antifa is gone.

I strongly agree with so much of this...but what was your earlier post about if not a justification for violence?

[Theleviathan]

I see your point from a rational perspective, but again, if the leadership and it's followers lose their moral foundation, then people will react accordingly..

Isnt part of this wrestling with the idea we may be at that very tipping point? They have attacked some douchebags lately that fall quite a bit short of synagogue shooting Nazis....no?

[aja_christopher]

Isnt part of this wrestling with the idea we may be at that very tipping point? They have attacked some douchebags lately that fall quite a bit short of synagogue shooting Nazis....no?

Define "they" -- as someone pointed out, there is no centralized "Antifa" to speak of since many are almost anarchist by nature.

Regardless, I think many here already made it clear that if you're going to start discussing "violent" activities, then the focus is best served on those who are actually killing innocents -- rather than counter-protesting Charleston white nationalists and punching Nazis like Richard Spencer -- to promote their worldview.

That's of course a matter of opinion, but a valid one given the state of our White House and the growing epidemic of right-wing terrorism.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

[Theleviathan]

Define "they" -- as someone pointed out, there is no centralized "Antifa" to speak of since many are almost anarchist by nature.

Regardless, I think many here already made it clear that if you're going to start discussing "violent" activities, then the focus is best served on those who are actually killing innocents -- rather than punching Nazis like Richard Spencer -- to promote their worldview.

And I keep pointing out it is a false dilemma that any comparison is necessary. It isnt. We can address the broken leg and the cancer while never comparing the two.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

And I keep pointing out it is a false dilemma that any comparison is necessary. It isnt. We can address the broken leg and the cancer while never comparing the two.

Antifa isn't a broken leg. It's chemo.

[aja_christopher]

And I keep pointing out it is a false dilemma that any comparison is necessary. It isnt. We can address the broken leg and the cancer while never comparing the two.

And no one is stopping you from doing so -- not one person here has argued that any member of "Antifa" shouldn't be prosecuted for criminal behavior.

If anyone has, they are far from being the "majority of people" on the left.

[Jack Dracula]

Antifa isn't a broken leg. It's chemo.

Chemo would be a solution that addresses the original problem of why people become White Supremacists.

[numberthirty]

Antifa isn't a broken leg. It's chemo.

No, it is not.

The medical treatment that you are making an attempt at trying to equate it to can be controlled once a doctor has carefully considered what type and how much of that type is the correct treatment in a given case.

That is essentially the exact opposite of the role that Antifa play in the current situation.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Chemo would be a solution that addresses the original problem of why people become White Supremacists.

Not true.

Chemo is used to combat cancer, to stop it from getting worse, not prevent it. People don't undergo chemo when they are at risk of getting cancer, they undergo it once they have cancer.

[numberthirty]

Not true.

Chemo is used to combat cancer, to stop it from getting worse, not prevent it. People don't undergo chemo when they are at risk of getting cancer, they undergo it once they have cancer.

Again, just wrong.

No one has "Opted" to undergo whatever jive amount of "Combat" you seem to believe Antifa is doing. They just turn up where they decide to.

Lousy comparison.