All Purpose News and Politics Thread Part IV: The Center Cannot Hold

[ed2962]

The attack line Gabbard used on Harris?

It's almost verbatim a series of slanders from the Alt-Right website "The Washington Free Beacon". This would also be the same Tulsi Gabbard that Steve Bannon always oddly has kind words for.

Make of that what you will.

I've seen those same concerns about Warren expressed by members of the black community and many others who are skeptical of her. I doubt Gabbard is reading alt-right sites to get her opinions.

Bannon likes Gabbard cuz he's an isolationist. When Gabbard says she wants to pull the US out of all these wars, it attracts him.

[ed2962]

Screw Gabbard if she's quoting from the alt right. That's some low level stuff right there.

Also no matter who wins Castro does need to be on their team. Why is Yang there again?

She's not quoting the alt-right. The alt-right is quote stuff that's already out there.

[InformationGeek]

What the hell kind of response was that Tulsi?!

Anderson: “Do you consider [Assad] a torturer or a murder?”

Gabbard: “That’s not what this is about.”

[Tendrin]

I've seen those same concerns about Warren expressed by members of the black community and many others who are skeptical of her. I doubt Gabbard is reading alt-right sites to get her opinions.

Bannon likes Gabbard cuz he's an isolationist. When Gabbard says she wants to pull the US out of all these wars, it attracts him.

It's also her long standing hatred of Muslims. Gabbard's record on Islamaphobia, of what she is willing to condemn and not condemn, is vicious and awful. Bannon isn't the isolationist he'd like ya'll to believe anyway.

[InformationGeek]

Well here is some more ugliness.

The Justice Department’s immigration division (EOIR) is routinely sending employees articles from the far-right website Breitbart, per emails I obtained.

Typical headline: “GOP’s ‘Recycled Children’ Drama Beats Democrats’ ‘Family Separation’ Claim”

[ed2962]

It's also her long standing hatred of Muslims. Gabbard's record on Islamaphobia, of what she is willing to condemn and not condemn, is vicious and awful. Bannon isn't the isolationist he'd like ya'll to believe anyway.

I'll concede that one. It was last year(?) that Bannon went to Europe to give advise to conservatives candidates advise on winning elections and most of them turned him down, cuz they weren't too keen on foreigners interfering with their elections.

[Theleviathan]

She's not quoting the alt-right. The alt-right is quote stuff that's already out there.

Correct, after everyone was gushing over Harris in the last debate I pointed out that she went unscathed because no one saw her as a threat. As soon as they did, and I said this here the night of the first debate, her prosecutorial record was going to become a very effective attack.

She put a ton of young black men behind bars for something she thinks should be legal, jokes about doing, and shows no remorse for. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with her record. Her standing up there trying to bash Biden on his treatment of blacks and incarceration could not be any more hypocritical or phony. At least Biden was getting heavily campaigned from the black community for his mistake, she's got no such cover.

And that's to say nothing of the fact that she STILL can't adequately explain her position on healthcare. (Or accurately explain it for that matter)

[4saken1]

The attack line Gabbard used on Harris?

It's almost verbatim a series of slanders from the Alt-Right website "The Washington Free Beacon". This would also be the same Tulsi Gabbard that Steve Bannon always oddly has kind words for.

Make of that what you will.

Not surprising. In 2016, some of my friends who were Sanders supporters would post anti-Hillary propaganda from FOX, Washington Times, or even InfoWars. Stuff like Clinton Bodybags and Pizzagate. Confirmation Bias often doesn't care about how credible the source is nor it's affiliations.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Not surprising. In 2016, some of my friends who were Sanders supporters would post anti-Hillary propaganda from FOX, Washington Times, or even InfoWars. Stuff like Clinton Bodybags and Pizzagate. Confirmation Bias often doesn't care about how credible the source is nor it's affiliations.

This isn’t accurate in this case. Harris’ record as a prosecutor is well documented and there are receipts to back up everything Tulsi said. Her poor record is just a fact at this point. It’s a completely valid and justified criticism. It’s also why she hasn’t gotten a groundswell of support despite being from the largest state and being able to speak as an African American to African American voters. People there are more familiar with her record and there are large hesitations.

Saying that a right wing group also figured this out and used it to attack her is just a deflection from the fact that it’s accurate and she deserves criticism for it,

This wasn’t some Pizzagate conspiracy. This is very well documented and out in the open. Her record is available, judges forcing her to use evidence to save men on death row is a matter of recur, there are videos of her laughing about marijuana use despite the vast amounts of people she locked up. That is the source. Saying that a bad actor used it, isn’t a valid excuse

This was always going to come up. Everyone who knows anything about her background knew this. Once she became a threat they decided to use it

[aja_christopher]

Not surprising. In 2016, some of my friends who were Sanders supporters would post anti-Hillary propaganda from FOX, Washington Times, or even InfoWars. Stuff like Clinton Bodybags and Pizzagate. Confirmation Bias often doesn't care about how credible the source is nor it's affiliations.

If people did the same to Sanders, we'd never hear the end of it -- they spend the entire debate trashing other Democrats (like Biden and Harris) and expect Sanders to be treated like some untouchable politician, when he's just another candidate with pros and cons like all the rest.

Then they wonder why people complain more about Sanders' supporters than about Sanders.

[Robotman]

What the hell kind of response was that Tulsi?!

And this is a huge reason why I just don’t trust Gabbard.

[aja_christopher]

This isn’t accurate in this case. Harris’ record as a prosecutor is well documented and there are receipts to back up everything Tulsi said. Her poor record is just a fact at this point. It’s a completely valid and justified criticism. It’s also why she hasn’t gotten a groundswell of support despite being from the largest state and being able to speak as an African American to African American voters.

The reason she hasn't gotten a "groundswell" is the same reason Booker hasn't gotten a "groundswell" -- a lot of black voters are pragmatic, and at this point Biden looks like the best choice to beat Trump in a general election.

Likewise with regards to his experience and stability, which is something a lot of older voters -- black or otherwise -- prefer in a candidate and they are the ones who show up to vote. If young people show up and vote, then they can change that dynamic, but until then it's about older voters showing up and voting for more moderate candidates.

Obama got that "groundswell of support" once he showed he could win both the nomination and the presidency -- most black voters vote for a candidate they think can win and who represents their values, not just because they are "black" like Booker, Harris, Carson, Keyes, Cain, Jackson (etc).

I've read that many black voters are more conservative in their voting choices because they have a lot more to lose when people like Trump win the election - it's hard to preach "green energy" to voters who are still working on achieving basic civil rights.

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"Even after first debates, Joe Biden still holds a 20-point lead with black voters"

"It would be easy to say Biden's black voter base exists merely because he was Barack Obama's vice president. That certainly helps, but there's probably more to it than that.

Biden's more moderate ideology compared to other leading Democratic presidential contenders gives him an edge with black voters, who are some of the most conservative voters in the Democratic coalition. He also does best with non-college graduates; more black voters than white voters lack a college degree.

Now, it's not all good news for Biden. Biden's black voter advantage has shrunk compared to what it was before the first debate, down about 10 points compared to where he was in the spring. Harris, meanwhile, is up about the same amount (a little more than 10 points) with African Americans."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/polit...sis/index.html

[Tami]

Chairman Graham just broke Judiciary Committee rules to advance Trump bill to indefinitely detain immigrant children. Senator Leahy will be speaking on this momentarily. LIVE on @CSPAN
and at Executive Business Meeting US Senate Judiciary Committee

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[Tami]

The Fed’s real message: Save the economy from Trump

In the case of Donald Trump vs. the U.S. Federal Reserve, the president of the United States is likely to secure a winning verdict this week.

Central bank officials are expected to cut interest rates for the first time since the global financial crisis not because Trump demanded it. Instead, they will move in part because the president’s bruising trade policy has helped fuel a global manufacturing slowdown and injected deep uncertainty into executive suites around the world.

[InformationGeek]

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Yeah, just heard about that BS. Got video!

HEADS UP: @LindseyGrahamSC is currently violating Senate rules by refusing to let Dems speak and calls for a vote on asylum bill.

Graham: "The clerk will call the roll."

@SenFeinstein: "Your breaking the rules of the committee…This is unprecedented."