All Purpose News and Politics Thread Part IV: The Center Cannot Hold

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I couldn't care much less about Sanders -- the only time I really bring him up is when you bash other Democratic candidates, just to show you how it would be if others did the same as you and attacked Sanders as much as you do other candidates.

The fact that you are taking this so personally only further proves my point about Sanders's supporters being the issue -- not Sanders himself. He's just another candidate -- no more, no less -- and criticizing him shouldn't invoke that much venom in you.

Pointing out "facts" -- just like you are with Harris, Biden, and others -- shouldn't even bother you: if you can dish it out, then you should be able to take it. Better yet, stop attacking other candidates and simply explain why yours is better on similar issues, like criminal justice, and you might build some support for him.

Attacking other more moderate candidates (like Hillary) didn't work for you last time -- Sanders lost to her by millions of votes -- so why would you try it again?

That said, I don't even want to criticize Sanders -- I just would prefer you stop constantly attacking other Democrats to support your choice.

I couldn't care much less about Sanders -- the only time I really bring him up is when you bash other Democratic candidates, just to show you how it would be if others did the same as you and attacked Sanders as much as you do other candidates.

The fact that you are taking this so personally only further proves my point about Sanders's supporters being the issue -- not Sanders himself. He's just another candidate -- no more, no less -- and criticizing him shouldn't invoke that much venom in you.

Pointing out "facts" -- just like you are with Harris, Biden, and others -- shouldn't even bother you: if you can dish it you, then you should be able to take it. Better yet, stop attacking other candidates and simply explain why yours is better on similar issues, like criminal justice, and you might build some support for him.

Attacking other more moderate candidates (like Hillary) didn't work for you last time -- Sanders lost to her by millions of votes -- so why would you try it again?

That said, I don't even want to criticize Sanders -- I just would prefer you stop constantly attacking other Democrats to support your choice.

How did I bash other candidates lol? I didn’t even bring up this criticism of Harris. I just said that they were well documented and in public record so it’s not an excuse to say “oh well some right wing site also said it, so we should ignore”. No it was a valid attack that anybody that knows a thing about her knee was an issue and was going to come it.

My biggest issue is more that after all this time she didn’t have a valid counter and looked uncomfortable which cascades the **** out of me knowing that they had all this time prepare. I pointed out flaws with Hillary last time, and still voted for her, and I was right. She lost. Maybe be aware and don’t be blind to what can cost you because of bias

Seriously what kind of world do you live in where the things I’m saying aren’t going to be used in a campaign? If you need me to not point out flaws in candidates, maybe don’t pick candidates with big flaws like that. Me saying it today doesn’t change that Tulsi said it in front of the entire world last night. Nor does me pointing out that it’s a matter of public record and that one right wing site reported doesn’t change that it is, in fact, a fact that is a matter of public record.

And I wouldn’t request for others not to point out flaws in other candidates when your default is make cheap often weak attacks on Bernie, who isn’t even my first choice, whenever you can.

Like what do you just want ignore it until the general when you are stuck with someone who can’t defend themselves like Harris didn’t last night?

[Dalak]

How did I bash other candidates lol? I didn’t even bring up this criticism of Harris. I just said that they were well documented and in public record so it’s not an excuse to say “oh well some right wing site also said it, so we should ignore”. No it was a valid attack that anybody that knows a thing about her knee was an issue and was going to come it.

My biggest issue is more that after all this time she didn’t have a valid counter and looked uncomfortable which cascades the **** out of me knowing that they had all this time prepare. I pointed out flaws with Hillary last time, and still voted for her, and I was right. She lost. Maybe be aware and don’t be blind to what can cost you because of bias

Seriously what kind of world do you live in where the things I’m saying aren’t going to be used in a campaign? If you need me to not point out flaws in candidates, maybe don’t pick candidates with big flaws like that. Me saying it today doesn’t change that Tulsi said it in front of the entire world last night. Nor does me pointing out that it’s a matter of public record and that one right wing site reported doesn’t change that it is, in fact, a fact that is a matter of public record.

And I wouldn’t request for others not to point out flaws in other candidates when your default is make cheap often weak attacks on Bernie, who isn’t even my first choice, whenever you can.

Like what do you just want ignore it until the general when you are stuck with someone who can’t defend themselves like Harris didn’t last night?

Dude . . .are you having a stroke or something? The number of typos in this is staggering, and you even double-quoted.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Dude . . .are you having a stroke or something? The number of typos in this is staggering, and you even double-quoted.

I’m on my phone and I’m busy. Don’t have time, to correct everything little thing.

[Jack Dracula]

"American farmer: Trump 'took away all of our markets'"

"The White House recently announced that it would be providing an additional $16 billion in aid to American farmers affected by the trade war between the U.S. and China.

But the problem for American farmers has becomes bigger than something a bailout can fix.

“This trade thing is what’s brought on by the president and it’s really frustrating because he took away all of our markets,” Bob Kuylen, a farmer from North Dakota who grows spring wheat and sunflowers, told Yahoo Finance. “We live in an area where we’re kind of in the middle of nowhere. It costs us a lot of money — over $1 a bushel to get our grain to markets.”

Since trade tensions began in 2018, farmers have faced major financial challenges, since China was once a major U.S. agriculture buyer.

And losing customers has become a major issue. Soybean farmers have been dealing with this, as China has turned to other countries like Brazil for soybeans. Kuylen said this is also happening for wheat farmers, as China has begun importing wheat from Russian regions.

“All these countries went to different countries to get their grain,” Kuylen said. “How are we going to get the relations back with them to buy our grain again and be our customers...?”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trade...154935903.html

Trumps administration loosened the regulations requiring oil companies to blend a certain percentage of ethanol in their gasolines so ethanol processing plants throughout the midwest have begun to shut down operations. The majority of that ethanol was made from corn so farmers will be screwed with having too much corn and no one to buy it.

[Michael Watkins]

at this point, Elizabeth Warren is the least problematic of the candidates. she has an actual plan. and she can debate circles around Trump. i pray that she gets the nomination. not having native american ancestry is not a good reason to write someone off; especially when compared to fighting against integration or withholding evidence that could get someone off deathrow.

[aja_christopher]

How did I bash other candidates lol? I didn’t even bring up this criticism of Harris. I just said that they were well documented and in public record so it’s not an excuse to say “oh well some right wing site also said it, so we should ignore”. No it was a valid attack that anybody that knows a thing about her knee was an issue and was going to come it.

If you say so.

Again, if you want people to support your "progressive" candidates, constantly attacking "moderates" isn't going to help win their favor.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

If you say so.

Again, if you want people to support your "progressive" candidates, constantly attacking "moderates" isn't the solution.

It doesn’t making an ounce of difference either way. Just like complaining about Bernie wont make Hillary President

[aja_christopher]

It doesn’t making an ounce of difference either way. Just like complaining about Bernie wont make Hillary President

It did help depress support for her, and it likewise served no positive purpose in increasing the Democrats chances of winning.

As I already pointed out, the larger issue is that you constantly do so while taking offense when anyone even brings up an issue with the Sanders campaign.

I doubt you'll change, but don't act as if this is about attacking Sanders when it's about the constant attacks on other Democrats and the party in general in support of your progressive agenda -- an agenda that has yet to make it out of the Democratic primaries, much less win the presidency, much less make it through Congress.

These aren't attacks on said agenda -- this is just pointing out that it has pros and cons, just like every other political agenda.

[wjowski]

And it's still 2019, with the vote more than a year away while he's being hammered in debate after debate. Biden truly needs to go away, I'm fairly sure he's doing more to depress the people we need to come out and vote than anyone else on those stages.

If anyone's sitting at home on 2020, they deserve whatever happens afterwards...

[aja_christopher]

I think all you guys talking about how Biden's 'time has passed' need to follow some polls. He's the still the front-runner, and by a significant margin.

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where everyone complained about politics in public while the old people stayed silent and just went out and voted.

[BeastieRunner]

If anyone's sitting at home on 2020, they deserve whatever happens afterwards...

No they don't.

This part of why we're in this mess.

That needs to stop.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

It did help depress support for her, and it likewise served no positive purpose in increasing the Democrats chances of winning.

As I already pointed out, the larger issue is that you constantly do so while taking offense when anyone even brings up an issue with the Sanders campaign.

I doubt you'll change, but don't act as if this is about attacking Sanders when it's about the constant attacks on other Democrats and the party in general.

No actually the flaws that Democrats pointed out during the primary and before were brought up constantly during the general because everyone knew about them were what depressed her support.

Pretending flaws don’t exist isn’t going to stop them from coming out and having an impact.

My issue with you and your criticisms if Bernie are that they genuinely are trash. Like either they are vague like you complaining about his civil rights record (not being able to explain what he did to hurt civil rights and your general criticism being that he’s not overt enough in it while you actively support candidates who have hurt minorities) or just crying about his supporters (which you aren’t a great example for the candidates you support). If you want to attack him on something, there’s better stuff, he struggles to adapt in debates and his gun record is rough. But the reality is it’s so transparent how you reach for fake criticisms to make a non point. And it comes off worse when you juxtapose it with Harris you know trying to keep someone in death row.

Just worry about supporting your candidates and either have a relevant defense for their flaws or don’t cry when people bring them up. At least I can just point out why your criticisms of Bernie are trash.

The defense for Harris so far?

1. Some right wing site also reported it (even though everything said is 100% fact and a matter of record)
2. Or the defense Harris just launched which was “I’m top tier, she’s zero, 1%, whatever”

[aja_christopher]

No actually the flaws that Democrats pointed out during the primary and before were brought up constantly during the general because everyone knew about them were what depressed her support.

Pretending flaws don’t exist isn’t going to stop them from coming out and having an impact.

My issue with you and your criticisms if Bernie are that they genuinely are trash. ”

I haven't even criticized Bernie -- I just brought up issues with his campaign.

The same way you're constantly harping on about Harris and Biden for their "flaws" is the same way I'm bringing up his "flaws" with regards to a general election -- if these are just things that are going to "come up" in a general election, then you're being a hypocrite in getting offended by them, especially when you're constantly throwing stones at other candidates while ignoring the elephant in the room regarding the "socialist" label and how that will play on a national level.

Anyway, keep bashing Democrats for Sanders if you want to -- just remember dragging others down won't help him win and just builds resentment from the other candidate's supporters.

Another thing -- stop being immature when discussing serious political issues: no one is here "crying" over Sanders or any other candidate. This is just solid observation based on seeing the same mistakes being repeated this election with regards to divisiveness in the Democratic party. If you want to make this personal then PM me, but I'm not going to sit here and get into a name-calling match on a public forum.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I haven't even criticized Bernie -- I just brought up issues with his campaign.

The same way you're constantly harping on about Harris and Biden for their "flaws" is the same way I'm bringing up his "flaws" with regards to a general election.

Anyway, keep bashing Democrats for Sanders if you want to -- what comes around goes around.

“I haven’t criticized Bernie”

You brought up an issue with him not allowing for overtime with his workers and categorized it as having issues with paying them $15 dollars an hour, you brought up your belief he isn’t strong on civil rights, and you brought up that there were sexual harassment violations in a massive nationwide presidential campaign and currently his campaign has some of the strictest safeguards.

You know what I did? I pointed out that the attack a Democratic nominee had against Harris was in fact accurate and has been well documented so pointing out a bad actor also repeated it isn’t a good enough reason to dismiss it.

You’re right, what goes around comes around. Maybe ignoring the flaws of your candidate again while others point them out will result in another general loss and you’ll be forced to make excuses for a few more years blaming everyone. Worked out real well for you last time

[Dalak]

I’m on my phone and I’m busy. Don’t have time, to correct everything little thing.

Obviously not too busy as to prevent repeated angry posts on a Comic Book Forum. Keep being you!

If anyone's sitting at home on 2020, they deserve whatever happens afterwards...

The point is WE don't, so Biden should realize who's really energizing the voters as opposed to the pollsters.