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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    Dude . . .are you having a stroke or something? The number of typos in this is staggering, and you even double-quoted.
    I’m on my phone and I’m busy. Don’t have time, to correct everything little thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    "American farmer: Trump 'took away all of our markets'"

    "The White House recently announced that it would be providing an additional $16 billion in aid to American farmers affected by the trade war between the U.S. and China.

    But the problem for American farmers has becomes bigger than something a bailout can fix.

    “This trade thing is what’s brought on by the president and it’s really frustrating because he took away all of our markets,” Bob Kuylen, a farmer from North Dakota who grows spring wheat and sunflowers, told Yahoo Finance. “We live in an area where we’re kind of in the middle of nowhere. It costs us a lot of money — over $1 a bushel to get our grain to markets.”

    Since trade tensions began in 2018, farmers have faced major financial challenges, since China was once a major U.S. agriculture buyer.

    And losing customers has become a major issue. Soybean farmers have been dealing with this, as China has turned to other countries like Brazil for soybeans. Kuylen said this is also happening for wheat farmers, as China has begun importing wheat from Russian regions.

    “All these countries went to different countries to get their grain,” Kuylen said. “How are we going to get the relations back with them to buy our grain again and be our customers...?”

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trade...154935903.html
    Trumps administration loosened the regulations requiring oil companies to blend a certain percentage of ethanol in their gasolines so ethanol processing plants throughout the midwest have begun to shut down operations. The majority of that ethanol was made from corn so farmers will be screwed with having too much corn and no one to buy it.
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    at this point, Elizabeth Warren is the least problematic of the candidates. she has an actual plan. and she can debate circles around Trump. i pray that she gets the nomination. not having native american ancestry is not a good reason to write someone off; especially when compared to fighting against integration or withholding evidence that could get someone off deathrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    How did I bash other candidates lol? I didn’t even bring up this criticism of Harris. I just said that they were well documented and in public record so it’s not an excuse to say “oh well some right wing site also said it, so we should ignore”. No it was a valid attack that anybody that knows a thing about her knee was an issue and was going to come it.
    If you say so.

    Again, if you want people to support your "progressive" candidates, constantly attacking "moderates" isn't going to help win their favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    If you say so.

    Again, if you want people to support your "progressive" candidates, constantly attacking "moderates" isn't the solution.
    It doesn’t making an ounce of difference either way. Just like complaining about Bernie wont make Hillary President

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    It doesn’t making an ounce of difference either way. Just like complaining about Bernie wont make Hillary President
    It did help depress support for her, and it likewise served no positive purpose in increasing the Democrats chances of winning.

    As I already pointed out, the larger issue is that you constantly do so while taking offense when anyone even brings up an issue with the Sanders campaign.

    I doubt you'll change, but don't act as if this is about attacking Sanders when it's about the constant attacks on other Democrats and the party in general in support of your progressive agenda -- an agenda that has yet to make it out of the Democratic primaries, much less win the presidency, much less make it through Congress.

    These aren't attacks on said agenda -- this is just pointing out that it has pros and cons, just like every other political agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalak View Post
    And it's still 2019, with the vote more than a year away while he's being hammered in debate after debate. Biden truly needs to go away, I'm fairly sure he's doing more to depress the people we need to come out and vote than anyone else on those stages.
    If anyone's sitting at home on 2020, they deserve whatever happens afterwards...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    I think all you guys talking about how Biden's 'time has passed' need to follow some polls. He's the still the front-runner, and by a significant margin.
    Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where everyone complained about politics in public while the old people stayed silent and just went out and voted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    If anyone's sitting at home on 2020, they deserve whatever happens afterwards...
    No they don't.

    This part of why we're in this mess.

    That needs to stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    It did help depress support for her, and it likewise served no positive purpose in increasing the Democrats chances of winning.

    As I already pointed out, the larger issue is that you constantly do so while taking offense when anyone even brings up an issue with the Sanders campaign.

    I doubt you'll change, but don't act as if this is about attacking Sanders when it's about the constant attacks on other Democrats and the party in general.
    No actually the flaws that Democrats pointed out during the primary and before were brought up constantly during the general because everyone knew about them were what depressed her support.

    Pretending flaws don’t exist isn’t going to stop them from coming out and having an impact.

    My issue with you and your criticisms if Bernie are that they genuinely are trash. Like either they are vague like you complaining about his civil rights record (not being able to explain what he did to hurt civil rights and your general criticism being that he’s not overt enough in it while you actively support candidates who have hurt minorities) or just crying about his supporters (which you aren’t a great example for the candidates you support). If you want to attack him on something, there’s better stuff, he struggles to adapt in debates and his gun record is rough. But the reality is it’s so transparent how you reach for fake criticisms to make a non point. And it comes off worse when you juxtapose it with Harris you know trying to keep someone in death row.

    Just worry about supporting your candidates and either have a relevant defense for their flaws or don’t cry when people bring them up. At least I can just point out why your criticisms of Bernie are trash.

    The defense for Harris so far?

    1. Some right wing site also reported it (even though everything said is 100% fact and a matter of record)
    2. Or the defense Harris just launched which was “I’m top tier, she’s zero, 1%, whatever”

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    No actually the flaws that Democrats pointed out during the primary and before were brought up constantly during the general because everyone knew about them were what depressed her support.

    Pretending flaws don’t exist isn’t going to stop them from coming out and having an impact.

    My issue with you and your criticisms if Bernie are that they genuinely are trash. ”
    I haven't even criticized Bernie -- I just brought up issues with his campaign.

    The same way you're constantly harping on about Harris and Biden for their "flaws" is the same way I'm bringing up his "flaws" with regards to a general election -- if these are just things that are going to "come up" in a general election, then you're being a hypocrite in getting offended by them, especially when you're constantly throwing stones at other candidates while ignoring the elephant in the room regarding the "socialist" label and how that will play on a national level.

    Anyway, keep bashing Democrats for Sanders if you want to -- just remember dragging others down won't help him win and just builds resentment from the other candidate's supporters.

    Another thing -- stop being immature when discussing serious political issues: no one is here "crying" over Sanders or any other candidate. This is just solid observation based on seeing the same mistakes being repeated this election with regards to divisiveness in the Democratic party. If you want to make this personal then PM me, but I'm not going to sit here and get into a name-calling match on a public forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    I haven't even criticized Bernie -- I just brought up issues with his campaign.

    The same way you're constantly harping on about Harris and Biden for their "flaws" is the same way I'm bringing up his "flaws" with regards to a general election.

    Anyway, keep bashing Democrats for Sanders if you want to -- what comes around goes around.
    “I haven’t criticized Bernie”

    You brought up an issue with him not allowing for overtime with his workers and categorized it as having issues with paying them $15 dollars an hour, you brought up your belief he isn’t strong on civil rights, and you brought up that there were sexual harassment violations in a massive nationwide presidential campaign and currently his campaign has some of the strictest safeguards.

    You know what I did? I pointed out that the attack a Democratic nominee had against Harris was in fact accurate and has been well documented so pointing out a bad actor also repeated it isn’t a good enough reason to dismiss it.

    You’re right, what goes around comes around. Maybe ignoring the flaws of your candidate again while others point them out will result in another general loss and you’ll be forced to make excuses for a few more years blaming everyone. Worked out real well for you last time

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    I’m on my phone and I’m busy. Don’t have time, to correct everything little thing.
    Obviously not too busy as to prevent repeated angry posts on a Comic Book Forum. Keep being you!

    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    If anyone's sitting at home on 2020, they deserve whatever happens afterwards...
    The point is WE don't, so Biden should realize who's really energizing the voters as opposed to the pollsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjowski View Post
    I think all you guys talking about how Biden's 'time has passed' need to follow some polls. He's the still the front-runner, and by a significant margin.
    Polls still skew towards older voters on lan line phones, so I'm not surprised.

    Everyone I talk to among Democratic primary voters want a fresher face. I have not spoken to, or seen someone online give a passionate defense of Biden. Like, at all.

    I really think he's getting by on name recognition, and the polling aggregate.


    This being said, Biden > Trump for DAAAAAYS. YEEEARS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT OF THE LAKE View Post
    Maybe ignoring the flaws of your candidate again while others point them out will result in another general loss and you’ll be forced to make excuses for a few more years blaming everyone. Worked out real well for you last time
    I don't have a candidate so you're just attacking for no reason whatsoever again -- you keep making up this nonsense about this being about Hillary or Sanders, when I've made it clear I don't have a problem with him but with the divisiveness of his supporters, which you are (once again) proving.

    Bringing up things that might be an issue for Sanders is not a "criticism" and as you pointed out, it's fair game in the general election -- for example, whether I support a $15 minimum wage has nothing to do with the fact that raising the minimum wage -- and taxes -- are key issues with many voters, especially when you are having wage issues in your own campaign.

    I'm done trying to reason with you -- but rest assured I'll continue to point this out again in the future whenever I see fit.

    There's way too much at stake this time to tolerate this kind of infighting: if you're going to promote your political agenda to the detriment of other Democratic candidates -- especially those who are polling higher than your chosen candidate(s) -- then I'm going to address it directly.

    I don't care about Hillary or Sanders -- I care about Democrats working together to get Trump out of office.

    To that end, whoever they nominate is "my candidate" -- and that includes Warren and Sanders.
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