All Purpose News and Politics Thread Part IV: The Center Cannot Hold

[Celgress]

I'm going to say something that people aren't going to like but even in the mid to late 18th Century, the Thirteen Colonies (especially Massachusetts) had more firearms per capita than many European Countries. There has always been gun violence it isn't new what is new is people shooting up public places in such great numbers.

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/v...9&context=wmlr

http://willamette.edu/law/resources/...son-6-2-08.pdf

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/vi...21&context=flr

* Note the above links are PDF formate academic journal articles.

[InformationGeek]

In horrible, stupid things, let's check in on Ronna McDaniel, GOP Chairwoman.

A tragedy like this is not an opportunity to reboot your failing presidential campaign.

This is disgusting and wrong.

And then there's this pedantic *******.

In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

[mathew101281]

The system requires that there isn't an entire side of the equation that sees democracy as opposed to their goals - which is one thing the founding fathers never accounted for. They built something that would prevent one person from declaring himself king, but not something that could withstand being undermined from within by adherents from all 3 branches of the checks and balances system.

In other words, the government wasn't built around the party system. in fact, the founding fathers were against political parties.

[Tami]

I'm going to say something that people aren't going to like but even in the mid to late 18th Century, the Thirteen Colonies (especially Massachusetts) had more firearms per capita than many European Countries. There has always been gun violence it isn't new what is new is people shooting up public places in such great numbers.

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/v...9&context=wmlr

http://willamette.edu/law/resources/...son-6-2-08.pdf

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/vi...21&context=flr

* Note the above links are PDF formate academic journal articles.

Good research. The issue is, not that the 13 colonies had guns. The issue is that this Country has never outgrown it.

[Kirby101]

I'm going to say something that people aren't going to like but even in the mid to late 18th Century, the Thirteen Colonies (especially Massachusetts) had more firearms per capita than many European Countries. There has always been gun violence it isn't new what is new is people shooting up public places in such great numbers.

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/v...9&context=wmlr

http://willamette.edu/law/resources/...son-6-2-08.pdf

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/vi...21&context=flr

* Note the above links are PDF formate academic journal articles.

There were many things in the 18th Century we no longer tolerate. Slavery, child labor and women with out a vote , to name just 3.

[Malvolio]

Bernie Sanders agrees with Beto O’Rourke calling President Trump a white nationalist: “I do. It gives me no pleasure to say this”

It gives him no pleasure to say this? Bernie, have some backbone. Is he trying to win favor with Trump by being apologetic about having to call him what he is, a racist White Nationalist.

Oh please. Should it give him pleasure to say that the President of the United States is a racist? Admitting to that awful fact should not give any of us pleasure. You know what would give me pleasure? All of Trump's supporters turning their backs on him and he has to go into exile without access to social media.

[SuperiorIronman]

In horrible, stupid things, let's check in on Ronna McDaniel, GOP Chairwoman.




And then there's this pedantic *******.

What is he even trying to prove?
That mass shooters shouldn't be reacted to and worked to prevent because somewhere somehow people die? All of those things listed can be prevented and if not have consequences to not doing so in order to prevent incident. So why should mass shooters be treated any different?

[Malvolio]

In horrible, stupid things, let's check in on Ronna McDaniel, GOP Chairwoman.




And then there's this pedantic *******.

You beat me to the punch, SuperiorIronman. The difference is that we're doing things about the problems of medical errors, the flu, suicide and car accidents. Why can't do more things to solve the problem of gun violence?

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Less than quiet... either he, or someone with access to his account are trying to go in and delete all the tweets where Trump has referred to immigrants as "invaders" and their entry into the U.S. as an "invasion".

He f***ing knows what he did.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t what Trump’s handlers did against the law? And why would they be doing all that deleting in the first place while administration sycophants like Mick Mulvaney are bending over backwards on TV news shows to defend Trump’s rhetoric?

In horrible, stupid things, let's check in on Ronna McDaniel, GOP Chairwoman.




And then there's this pedantic *******.

My question: What did the Republican Party and/or the NRA pay Tyson to post stupid **** like that?

[superduperman]

Well, this is an interesting turn of events:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/t...manifesto.html

[Gray Lensman]

I'm going to say something that people aren't going to like but even in the mid to late 18th Century, the Thirteen Colonies (especially Massachusetts) had more firearms per capita than many European Countries. There has always been gun violence it isn't new what is new is people shooting up public places in such great numbers.

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/v...9&context=wmlr

http://willamette.edu/law/resources/...son-6-2-08.pdf

https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/vi...21&context=flr

* Note the above links are PDF formate academic journal articles.

I'll add another article with a pile of links in it to the pile.

5 types of gun laws the founding fathers loved.

[Gray Lensman]

In horrible, stupid things, let's check in on Ronna McDaniel, GOP Chairwoman.




And then there's this pedantic *******.

Tyson has always been pedantic, it's just that he used to always play it for humor.

[Gray Lensman]

Oh please. Should it give him pleasure to say that the President of the United States is a racist? Admitting to that awful fact should not give any of us pleasure. You know what would give me pleasure? All of Trump's supporters turning their backs on him and he has to go into exile without access to social media.

So basically this.

[Iron Maiden]

Good research. The issue is, not that the 13 colonies had guns. The issue is that this Country has never outgrown it.

That may be true but I would take into account that the North American continent had a lot more hazards than being back in Great Britain, Ireland, France, etc. In Europe there are fortified cities and centuries of civilization. Over here you had cougars, bears and Native Americans that weren't thrilled to see invaders coming onto their lands and taking over. Some settlements were mysteriously wiped out. So if you were out in the woods on your own you needed some kind of defense.

[Tami]

That may be true but I would take into account that the North American continent had a lot more hazards than being back in Great Britain, Ireland, France, etc. In Europe there are fortified cities and centuries of civilization. Over here you had cougars, bears and Native Americans that weren't thrilled to see invaders coming onto their lands and taking over. Some settlements were mysteriously wiped out. So if you were out in the woods on your own you needed some kind of defense.

That was also true for Europe and the Isles up until around the time of the Industrial Revolution. The US caught up with Europe, industrially speaking, pretty quickly and then kept going. When Europe reached their turning point, the use of guns diminished. In the US there has not been any diminished gun use.

The US still has open areas, but nothing that justifies the level fo gun use in America.